Meat eating and the bible

Yes, the person who wrote it is much more eloquent than I. If we are what we eat then I am happy to be a plant

lol well im an animal.. but i do try to make sure that where i get the meat i do get isnt the chemically treated hormone induced sickly crammed into pens too small fare.. and it has nothing to do with anything jesus mightve had on his menu.. i just like a good porterhouse on occasion lol

oh, if you could minus my rating on my responses.. id apreciate it thanx

I agree, Pose123. I think it is good to be against the way animals are treated in this world today. I wonder what you are doing to help the situation. I do not mean that in a rude way, I am genuinely curious how people's actions match with their beliefs in regards to this subject.

Hi again wooitsmolly, I'm Sorry to say that I still eat meat, and I know that doesn't seem right feeling as I do. I am however changing my diet to eat less and less meat, and I speak out against the way animals are treated whenever I have the opportunity. When I was growing up my family kept some chickens and sheep, and grew many of our own vegetables. We weren't farmers, it was just the way we lived, much simpler than today. It was always a top priority that these animals be treated well. Blessings.

I have tried many times to find information about meat eating in regards to the bible as I am faced quite often with, "well, God put animals on this earth FOR me to eat" and I find that hard to believe. I also cannot argue against it (besides from my Atheist viewpoint that the bible is unimportant) so I am trying to become more informed. I have started reading the bible myself, but that sure is a task.

I have read so many different interpretations on this subject. The author of this article is very well-informed and I like his interpretations.

Jesus said all meat was good, but to bless it. I think it was Peter (not sure) that said he wouldn't eat the pork.. due to Jewish law I guess.. the OT talked about not eating anything with a cloven hoof. But Jesus said to bless it and it was good to eat.. I'm just paraphrasing here.

Are you religious? Do you follow the bible? If so, how do you feel about the way animals used for meat are treated today? Thanks..

I don't want to use the word, "religious" the root meaning bondage, I look at it like a relationship with the creator and His Son. I hate they way they treat animals, G♥d had given specific instructions of what to eat and how it is to be prepared and there is a Good reason for that, it is healthier and more humane than what people do today.

Unfortunately, unless the majority of people protest, it won't change..

That's a very good point!

Death comes more quickly now to animals at meat-processing plants and our fruits and vegetables are definitely not our great-grandparents' fruits and vegetables.

There needs to be improvements made in the foods we eat whether or not we've vegetarians, and the animals need to be given the better quality of life from way-back-when along with the more merciful killing methods used today.

Animals are still slaughtered that way today for Halal, as I'm sure you are aware. I mostly posted this article to point out the differences in the way the animals are raised and treated. Obviously I am against slaughtering them in any way, shape or form, but that is me.

Yes, the pesticides and chemicals sprayed on vegetables disgusts me. I try to buy organic as much as possible and plan to start my own garden as soon as I can. That article did not mention plants because the author's sole purpose was to write about meat. It was not implying that the way plants are "traditionally" grown today is healthy or good.

It may be cruel to let an animal bleed to death but also remember that it's not specifically the actual slaughtering methods that are cruel but the way in which the animals are farmed. Months on end living on cold floors with no room to turn around or feed their young, no sunlight and not to mention international export where cows are crammed into cages and shipped overseas where most of them die a horrible slow death before they reach their destination. Cows get sea sickness but they can't vomit. These are horrible, horrible ways to live and die compared to bleeding to death, which is over in a lot less time.

excellent points

Yes, exactly. I am sick of hearing people say that animals were put here for our use so we can treat them any way we want, it doesn't matter, they aren't important, or other such nonsense. I think it is obvious that if God or Jesus or whoever was on this earth today they would not tolerate the way animals are being treated. Whatever happened to humanity, compassion, love, care, respect...? After all, these animals are nourishing people's bodies and helping to give them life, why do they not deserve respect and to be treated kindly?

What a great place this world would be to live in if everyone had that attitude. There are many of us that do.

Why do you separate "fish" from "animals"? Fish ARE animals... As I'm sure you know. At least, I hope...

The bible has a place in every debate for some people. I put this out there because I found it interesting as I deal with a lot of "but my religion says I can..." "but God said..." in my life. As you probably know, I don't take what the bible says as true.

Plants are intelligent, but in a different sense than animals (in my opinion)... to kill a plant is not to cause pain to the plant. Yes, I know some people disagree with that as I have read studies on both sides, but that is what I believe and I think it is a well-informed opinion.

Health issues are here to stay, yes that is true, but obviously some food items are more healthy for the human body than others. You cannot deny that.

I disagree that to be "really humane" you have to stop eating everything. Obviously that is not possible anyway...

The scenario is this.. there are different kinds of people.

Some choose to live as humanely as they possibly can. They do not add to the suffering of any animals.

Some decide that because eating plants causes harm, that they should just forget trying to help anything and eat a steak.

I do not see the logic in saying, "well, if I can't help EVERYTHING I will help NOTHING" because that is what it sounds like you are saying with your last statement.

Go to the woods and watch a big tree being cut with a chainsaw. Listen to the tree cry out in agony, as it topples helplessly to the ground!(yes you can actually hear it scream!) Then tell me plants feel no Pain!

I've watched trees being cut down... I've never heard one scream.

I've sat and nibbled on lettuce straight off the growing plant and it never complained. In fact my little pot plant lettuces are growing insanely (their window faces the sun all day, it's perfect for them).

My potted herbs have never screamed when I've plucked off their leaves. Again, they are growing at an amazing rate.

Plants may or may not have reactions to violent stimuli, I am not debating this issue. However, there is no way a human being can hear a tree scream.

All plants scream when cutoff from their root without prior warning. This is the reason Native people never pluck or cut a plant without asking its permission. Plants are not scared to die, and in fact they're purpose in life is to provide sustenance for Higher Life Forms. But when they are cut off from their roots without warning they Scream in Fear and Agony at the loss of their lives.. Small plants cannot be heard with human ears, but the bigger they are, the louder they scream. Small trees up to 12 inches are usually inaudible, but big trees 24 inches across the stump, and bigger scream so loud you can't fail to hear it. Its an uncanny sound and one that (when you realise what it is) will send shivers down your back.

barehugs, I am not even going to touch this with a ten foot pole. If you feel satisfaction after eating a juicy t-bone, and do not feel guilt when you do, then good on you. I personally work with facts and what you are saying are not supported by them. I do not wish to argue about this subject anymore. You have your beliefs and I have mine. I choose to live as cruelty-free as possible, you obviously do not. Take care.

What exactly does a plant scream sound like? So you're saying that if you ask the plant first, they'll be like "yeah sure dude, go ahead". I don't believe that plants can speak English. Or are you saying that Chinese plants can speak Chinese?
However my grandmother always told me that plants scream but I question this because plants do not have voice boxes.

24 inches across...*calculates* Nope, never heard a tree scream... and I've watched trees that big being cut down and fed to wood chippers. No screaming...

I live near a small renewable logging area and have never heard the air filled with screams.

So tell me, what does a tree screaming sound like?

Just for people's reference, the 'facts of the matter' that primalmom is referring to is from Gen 9:3

God to Noah and his family;

Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Excuse me if I don't eat ALL animals and plants... some just really shouldn't be put in human bodies. As a wise man once said; just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily follow that we should do that thing.

And I do agree with that entirely. So many meats (and other foods)are harmful. I was simply making the point that we are permitted.:-) However, I'm quite sure that God doesn't appreciate our ruining the earth with mass agriculture and those who exercise cruelties and disregards for earth and beast will certainly be held accountable.

This article did not say that God did not permit humans to eat animals. Quite the contrary. It is pointing out the treatment of animals in the world today and how they do not coincide with the way animals were treated during the time Jesus was alive.

and I was agreeing.