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Essay/Debate Topic (from another site): What is Your Understanding of God? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 86/100. stanwshura (201)   ranked 816 out of 6,703 in religion2 months ago

Let me first state what I want to believe - what I wish to be the truth and hope one day to have the faith or proof (yes, don't worry, I said "or"!) needed to trust that truth. I want to believe that God is an omnipotent and merciful presence and father and mother of all humanity and living-kind in general - of all of life and that which is, was, or will be. I want to believe that God is a guarantor of life everlasting notwithstanding the limits of physical life span proven, by the way, ONLY (and SO FAR!) by a 1:1 correspondence between birth and death. Well, okay - it's more like 1:1, minus the current estimate of the living population which is, as of approximately 5:16pm EDT of Sunday, May 11, 2008, a climbing 6,809,401,226 (http://www.ibiblio.org
/lunarbin/worldpop) and increasing, at a statistical rate of about 3 per second.

That's right. I am implying a personally held belief in immortatlity tempered only by a statistical*LIKELIHOOD* that one will die, on average between the ages of 75 and 80 years old (http://www.lifescript
.com/channels/healthy_living/Life_Tips/life_
expectancy_rates_and_the_quest_to_stop_aging.asp). This statistical likelihood, as well as an only very effortfully explained logic that we have to die because matter is neither created nor destroyed and that without death, life will eventually stop and death will thus come anyway - is the only (ha!, "only") barrier between the human life span and infiniti.

Exploring and explaining my thoughts and reasoning for questioning the assertion that all humans, indeed all living things had, have, and will always have a finite life spanc, properly goes beyond the scope of this article, but does indeed inform my faith and/or life philosophy and practice.

What do I suspect is the truth about God? If somebody threatened the life of someone I love or care about, through imposing grave physical harm or injury, and ordered me, at threat of their peril, to confess my true beliefs about God and spirituality, I would be compelled to say out loud and/or in tangible form (and saddened at having to get off the fence and declare) that I believe it is more likely than not that God is a man-made personification (well, deification) of ideals held by a finite group of people who, at a critical point in human history, held positions of great power and cultural influence. I believe such dogma and the rituals associated with it grew over generations and generations, and that, at least sometimes, the data was filled in to support the desired (or desperately held) conclusions, of the the masses then and now.

Religious doctrine and ritual grew more and more sophisticated, complicated, and contrived over many centuries, and the power of popular sway and peer pressure yielded a very strong desire to worship a being who can bless us or curse us, and that all we must do to receive the former is to believe it to be His will, His wored, His way, His plan.

We just have to believe it to be. God is the ultimate representation of all humanity's desperate belief that somehow, someone, by some grace can "...deliver us from evil. Amen".

 
 
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santuccie (1744) response was accepted on 6/20/2008.
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tags:  god, deity, collective love, desperate hope, unknown
 
1. myLot reputation of 89/100. Breath (1510)   ranked 2,790 out of 6,703 in religion   2 months ago

I will put a answer to the simple yet complicatd question...Yes I believe if not for God who made me?


myLot reputation of 35/100. ClarusVisum (307)   ranked 2,450 out of 6,703 in religion  2 months ago

Your parents made you.


myLot reputation of 94/100. santuccie (1744)   ranked 1,805 out of 6,703 in religion  2 weeks ago

Seemingly simple logic, but not to worry. Methinks ClarusVisum is a little less cocksure of himself these days:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1555748.aspx
http://www.mylot.com/w/di...

In the first discussion, ClarusVisum adds one last post in response to a biblical argument by my friend freethinkingagent, but appears to have run out of gas in his scientific debate with me. In the second discussion, ClarusVisum's audacious argument is crushed in a single, fell blow. Another one for God!

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2. myLot reputation of 35/100. ClarusVisum (307)   ranked 2,450 out of 6,703 in religion   2 months ago

I have a pretty straightforward understanding.

The concept of gods in general (not just the Christian god, named God) originated as a defense mechanism to help primitive humans cope with the fear of death. People convincing themselves of the existence of an afterlife helped make death less scary, and the idea of gods went along with that, because in addition to death, there were all of these natural phenomena they had no explanation for. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, even rain, were miracles to these people, as they didn't know any of the things we do.

When you get down to it, theism is actually a pretty primitive thing, wholly unnecessary for modern, civilized humans. There's no evidence, and nearly as important, no reason to even SUPPOSE that a god or gods actually exist(s).

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3. myLot reputation of 47/100. HawaiiGopher (526)   ranked 633 out of 6,703 in religion   2 months ago

God? A good concept, but nothing more. Simply an invention made by humans to stop their fear of being alone and without purpose. It's completely understandable seeing how human brains work though.

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4. myLot reputation of 94/100. serendib (631)   ranked 233 out of 6,703 in religion   2 months ago

My understanding of God is that he is real and not made up. Now I don't expect atheists/heretics etc. to believe as I do, but I do wish that most of them would stop condemning those who do believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. Pose123 (2500)   ranked 2 out of 6,703 in religion   2 months ago

Hi stanwshura, No one can prove the existence of God, nor can they prove that God does not exist. I have no problem with people on either side of the fence. Personally, I feel that there is more to life then the physical, not because of what some book says, not because someone told me that it was true, but because I have always felt it within me. Can I prove this to another, of course not, and I have no need to. Others must believe as they wish. This doesn't mean that I believe in an old man in the sky, who will judge everyone, or the traditional heaven and hell. Mankind created that God when we were in our infancy, to explain what we couldn't understand, but that doesn't mean that God, if you want to use that term, does not exist in some form. There is much that we do not understand, the important thing is that we all learn to respect the beliefs of others and live together in peace. Let us see that everyone has the best possible life here and not worry about what follows. After all, knowing would take all the fun out of it. Blessings.

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6. myLot reputation of 94/100. santuccie (1744)   ranked 1,805 out of 6,703 in religion   1 month ago

I appreciate your sincerity. Perhaps it might help you to know that I am not a "religious" believer, but a monotheist nonetheless. Of course I also entertain the notion that there could even be more than one God, but I happen to "sense" only one.

While it is discouraging to some that evolution is taught in schools and Intelligent Design is not, and while it is discouraging to many more when someone points out that there are contradictions and apparent fables in the Bible (and other religious doctrine), I should point out that authenticity or fallacy in a book(s) written by men neither proves nor disproves the existence of a deity or deities. And I have reason to believe that atheists, including agnostic atheists, are likely out of date on the evidential status of Intelligent Design. Here are some of the debates I have had thus far:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1482744.aspx
http://www.mylot.com/w/di...

Also, notice that I refer to my testimony in both of these threads ( http://www.mylot.com/w/di... ). This is my non-scientific argument for God. Not only do I believe because of scientific evidence, but because I have interacted with "otherworldly" Powers since becoming a believer.

I don't know enough about God to give Him (Her/It/Them) a persona, or an image, or a name; but my "faith" is so strong that I find it difficult to simply say "I believe." Whether I can prove it to you or not, I already "know" there is a Power greater than myself. What remains is for me to find out whether this Power is in fact my Maker; this is where my faith comes in.

As for the story of Christ, I remain a doubting Thomas. I am neither convinced nor unconvinced that an incarnate God walked the earth some two millennia ago. I would like to believe this to be true, and I actually attend a Christian (Presbyterian) church, but I just don't know. And I try not to profess things I don't know.;)

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