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Is Britain becoming a 'Big Brother' state? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 92/100. owlwings (2091)   ranked 4 out of 45 in england3 months ago

We have speed cameras, cameras in public spaces and security cameras in shops. All of this, of course, is designed to reduce crime but is the information gathered always used properly?

If you use a store card, information about how you shop and what you buy is being monitored and you are targeted with advertising designed to be 'of most interest' to you. Is this a good thing?

'Age cards' for buying alcohol and tobacco ... passports ... driving licences ... car insurance and vehicle registration ... TV licences ... NHS records ... all of these are now held on databases and could be linked so that the 'powers that be' can get a complete picture and history of the life of every one of us (should they so need to).

How worried about this are you, if you are British? If you are not British, do you see the same thing happening in your country and does it worry you?

Should we be doing something about this trend?

 
 
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tags:  big brother, privacy, cameras, britain, politics
 
1. myLot reputation of 94/100. p1kef1sh (3040)   ranked 1 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

I have been increasingly concerned about they way our nation is going. The other week I drove from Salisbury to Hatfield to pick my daughter up from University. The awful thought dawned on me that apart from the drive from my house to the nearest main road, a full five hundred yards, every single mile of my subsequent journey was monitored on a camera somewhere. I don't believe that I was specifically watched, but the fact that I know that "they" could watch me if they so wished is very troubling. Last week a US friend of mine from myLot went and stood in front of a Camera, that is linked to a public webcam service, in her local shopping centre so that i could see her. That was a novelty but there is a sinister undertone in that if I could see her, so could anyone else. I find the ever increasing powers to snoop in my house and rubbish by local council officials worrying. According to my newspaper today I run the risk of a £5,000 fine if I deny officials a look in my dustbins. My new wheelie bin is "chipped" so that they can trace me if I fill it with the wrong sort of rubbish. The police can stop and search me even if they have no suspicion that I have done wrong. Shortly, if the Government has its way all my personal details will be encoded on a plastic identity card that I shall have to produce on demand. I am often told that if I have nothing to hide, why should I worry about ID cards. My simple answer is that I don't have one and I don't worry. Why give me angst then? Apparently it will reduce terrorism? How will restricting my liberty, and using me to compile a huge database of citizens do that? I am saddened and disappointed that we are slowly, inexorably sliding towards a Big Brother state. We will soon see neighbour snooping on neighbour. The last political regime in Europe that did that ended up starting a world war. God preserve us.


myLot reputation of 91/100. louise99 (1022)   ranked 36 out of 45 in england  3 months ago

I really think that the whole idea of ID cards is just a step too far. I thought we were meant to be living under a democratic government? Although I don't know if any sort of rebellion, organised or otherwise, would make any difference. The govt. is very good at hiding what needs to be hidden, for their benefit. It's all about control, perhaps it's too late now to change anything? "They" have had too much control and experience now for the public to be able to make a real difference. We are led to believe that the Labour Government is "for the people", but I don't see members of the general public being able to contribute to major decisions and debates personally.
It would be too difficult, time-consuming and costly for those in power to take too many opinions on board, never mind the fact that the government would subsequently lose control when citizens realised what is really going on!
I am not ready to give in and allow "Big Brother" to take over, but remember: we cannot see the real decision makers. If Gordon Brown REALLY had the power we are led to belive he has, then he wouldn't be known to the public! His life would constantly be in danger of mobs, vigilante groups and terrorists; he would be hidden away somewhere, out of harm's reach.
I reckon ideas for REAL change are few and far between!
Great post, thanks:)

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2. myLot reputation of 50/100. Destiny007 (3323)   ranked 13 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

I think Britain has a bit of a head start, but don't worry because the US and the rest of the Western world is fast catching up.

We are working on not only cameras and those nifty "eye in the sky" drones, but now Biometrics is increasingly favored.

Our entire lives are being monitored, recorded, and catalogued by everyone from advertisers to government types.

They know the brands we use, the food we like and what we do for entertainment.

They know what books we read and whether or not we smoke.

It's all part of the New World Order and the fine folks at the UN.

So don't feel like you British are being singled out, because you are not.

Everyone else is catching up fast.


myLot reputation of 55/100. generalmarcuz (159)   ranked 34 out of 45 in england  3 months ago

I hate those stuffs that destroy our right to privacy and I would never want that in our country.

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. nannacroc (1647)   ranked 2 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

It does worry me, Mr Owlwings. If I thought all of this would be used properly and to reduce crime I may feel differently. The police still don't seem to be able to find criminals even if they are caught on CCTV and the government are very good at losing information. I thought a national ID card would be useful until I saw the information that was going to be on it. There is no longer any privacy in this country unless you're doing something illegal it seems. 1984 is just a it later than we thought.

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. Irishfrndly65 (2165)   ranked 24 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

I am in the US and all that stuff is familiar to me as well. I am more worried about them trying to implant some kind of chip in me or my loved ones. I don't want them to be able to track me the closely. I can't get away from myself! Creepy, huh?

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5. myLot reputation of 96/100. polachicago (6132)   ranked 27 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

I am in USA and all you are talking about are similar here.
I am afraid that we are no longer secure.
We are "sold' and "trade" between advertisers, salesman and the public.
Traffic or speed cameras, security and public cameras.
Soon they will introduce ID with chip and than we are going to be chip and the world is not going to be the same.... sad

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6. myLot reputation of 96/100. pumpkinjam (2463)   ranked 7 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

I don't think there is any need to have so much information. I find it really difficult to do some things because I have neither a passport nor a full driving licence but with the amount of information stored from different sources, this really ought not to be the case. We are asked for so much information on the basis of security but I don't think it could be that secure if we hand over so much information about ourselves. We don't know exactly where some of the information is going or where it is being held, we are just expected to trust whomever may be holding it. I think that the recent episodes of "lost" data by government agencies proves beyond a doubt that we should not trust certain organisations but we are given no choice. After saying that, it is necessary to do something to combat crime and hold enough information to try to prevent identity fraud but I would have thought that the links between so many pieces of information would just make identity fraud easier to commit.
As for the cameras and things. I think they are fine provided they are used for their intended purpose. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with them if they have no intention of doing anything wrong but maybe there should be something in place to ensure the information is not used inappropriately.

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7. myLot reputation of 98/100. dorypanda (818)   ranked 6 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

I don't mind having cameras around where I live as they don't work most of the time. I've grown up in a generation of people being recorded via cameras, so I think it's something I don't really notice any more, well, except for the speed cameras, I notice them, check my speed and slow down if need be.

I think that people with nothing to hide shouldn't be too bothered by being watched or being able to be pinpointed at any moment. However I know that sometimes innocent people are made to pay a hefty price due to fraud. My partners van registration was 'seen' by a camera at a crime scene somewher miles away from Coventry (where he works), if it wasn't for the fact that he was working that day and out on his rounds he could have been treated like a criminal.

I think age cards are a good idea as it's difficult to tell how old people are, my youngest sister doesn't like buying alcohol because she ALWAYS has to show her birth certificate or passport to be able to buy it, she looks quite a bit younger than 18, and she's 26!

I also worry though about what happens if my information gets misplaced or left on a train or a bus or in a taxi. I know the government officals can't be trusted with paperwork, just look at the amount of times 'top secret' documents have been left lying around.

Plus, I sometimes worry that government are spying on everyone, maybe I'm just paranoid but why else would they need all of that information?

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8. Dr_Gonzo (36)   ranked 21 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

Its just like George Orwell prophesised... Its happening in the rest of Europe too, although there's a LOT of protesting going on sbout it...

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9. myLot reputation of 88/100. jimbomuso (340)   ranked 22 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

Hi owlwings! I've been watching the changes being brought about by the 'politics of fear' for the last few years. The situation truly appalls me, the very freedoms that our grandfathers fought for are being slowly eroded by each succsesive govt. Would you trust a goverment that is unable to follow its own procedures on Data Protection? If the build a Meta-database, Why not just put a bloody great big sign on it that says "HACK ME". I'm all for protecting society but having CCTV which is linked to facial recognition systems is not the answer(there have already been 2 trials).With the new legislation and detention powers being drafted in, the question still remains 'who watches the watchers'. I'm not a luddite complaining we should be harking back to a calmer age, I just dont want to see democracy lie down and quietly die while rightwing extremism puts on it's democracy disguise!

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. julyteen (4073)   ranked 20 out of 45 in england   3 months ago

it is really a scary thing because you don't have privacy anymore. all your activities are close monitored by cameras but if it is the solution to eliminate crimes it's okay for me, unless they put a certain laws that don't violates the right of the people.

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