Offer to gun grabbers, from a gun owner.

Thanks for the offer Rodney, but a promise is a promise. Not that I'm expecting to have to take that long journey up to Loch Ness anytime soon.;-)

Agfarm,

Just because you do not enjoy or see the need to "hunt your food down" doesn't mean you should deprive someone else of the priviledge! Also, you may live in an area with very little crime and don't see the need for self-protection whereas others live with danger everyday. To say a gun is dangerous is idiotic at best! Guns only become dangerous when taken possesion of by human beings and the type of human being holding the gun determines just how dangerous it is! To have my gun and rights taken away because someone else kills people indiscriminately is unacceptable!

I'm sory Rodney.....This is political rhetoric that Brainwashes people into Believing they " need " a Gun..........
I understand Gun Collecting.....My Father had a ton of Guns.....But I simply do not like Guns. I don't think Gun laws ....which require waiting periods and Background Checks are Depriving anyone of anything.
I want to know that people Buying Guns at the Local Grocery store, where they also Buy Children's formula at the Same time.........I want to Know that they are responsible people. This has nothing ( 4- Me any way ) of taking someone's rights away.
But to answer my question about protection...........If people were allowed to raise their Children, instead of Being at work ( for Big Business )
Perhaps there wouldn't be a " Need " for protection. I don't care if you have weapons or not. What you do is your Business, But quit making Guns A MAJOR issue.
Believe it or not.....there are more critical things going On in the world....
Rather than worrying if you/ anyone has a Weapon or NOT.

I'm sorry Agfarm, but you reasoning behind registration is flawed! First and foremost, the onlly people who will be registering guns will be law abiding citizens. Oh, you will stop a few spouses from killing each other and such as that but the real criminals, the ones commiting the violent crimes day in and day out just do not buy their guns from your Bass Pro Shop or Wal Mart! They either buy them black market or steal them! Kind of makes gun registration a joke doesn't it?

If all the law abiding citizens were to HAVE to give up the guns, who would then be left with all the guns?

The answer is the criminals. Then nobody would be able to defend themselves. What if they riot? Think of all the innocent lives that would be lost. All because law abiding citizens are not allowed to have a gun, only criminals who never register a gun or steal one to begin with.

Off my soapbox now.

Right on the money Rodney and Kareng.Agfarm, I have been following your comments on these pages and I truly wish that your wisdom and hope,however disjointed, defy all boundaries of reality and come to fruition in some future Nirvana!

Hi-di-ho Agfarm, thanks for replying. Unfortunately your reply falls a little short of the reasoned argument I was hoping for. I'd like you to give me a logical reason why I would be better off without my guns. Simple enough, if you can do that then I'll be in my car and driving up to Loch Ness on Friday afternoon.

Cheers Gewcew, thanks for replying. A comrade of mine in the Libertarian Party came up with a good slogan: "History is a subject. I am a citizen."

Cheers, thanks for replying.

Annie,

Before you get your liberal panties in a wad look at where the gentleman is from. I doubt he watches "right wing whackos" in the UK!

Hello Annie. I've already had one gun stolen by the State (a Glock 17 in 1997). Like gun grabbers generally, they didn't ask me, they took it by force. I was robbed by armed police - people who were supposedly employed to protect me. Next time if they want my guns they can ask me politely.

Thanks for replying.

Your solution is great in theory but there is just one problem--the criminals just don't give a rats a$$ about our gun laws! They do not buy their weapons at Walmart or Cabelas or Bass Pro so back ground checks will only do very little to curb violent crime! If you have the money, you can buy any type weapon you want it is just that simple! Tell me, if every law abiding citizen handed in their weapons today, just how safe would you feel?
On the same subject, if every law abiding citizen turned in their weapons today, a life of crime might just look real tantilizing! Think about it, I could burglerize any home and not worry about getting shot because I would be the only one with a gun!

Okay Rodney....so here's my next question....If weapons are being purchased via Black Market.....then what is all of the whining about. If your rights are being taken away ( By rights....I mean your weapons solely....) then there should be no issue at all, because tomorrew an individual can easily pick up another Black MArket weapon.....So....here's my question to you......What is this really all about. What is all of the whining about " rights being taken away? " because by your own admission.....anyone can own a weapon!
Personally ....I think this is an attempt to divert, ( politically )attention from issues with substance....to issues that stir emotion. For some reason our country is Obsessed with weapons. Everyone has weapons....I'm gifted with a Fork.....wanna try me? Here's the thing....I think right wing Radicals push this weapons issue out there to distract from what's really going on. It's a Domino effect, firts we need weapons on an Individual BAsis, then we need Bigger Armies, then we need advanced weapons for these Armies, then we need Satellite weapons.....exactly where does this train of Insanity Stop. It's about escalating Chaos! This Is Chaos....who has the most weapons! There's something to be proud of! Rogue is pi$$ed!

I think you are right. Why would an ordinary citizen need an automatic weapon? Guns, and especially automated weapons, should be regulated and licensed as least as much as cars are. You have to be licensed to drive a car; in the US, you must be a certain age, you must meet physical requirements, pass a written and driving test after a year or more of "probation" driving (learners permit), and if you are ever caught driving without a license or while under the influence of drugs or alcohol you are going to jail! Guns should have AT LEAST this much regulation.
At Virginia Tech last year a 20 year old student with a history of mental health issues was able to walk into a store and buy an automatic handgun and go back to campus and shoot scores of his fellow students. Why should he have been allowed to buy an automatic weapon, just like that?

Oh, and Rodney850, plenty of people have been shot by criminals or robbers with their OWN guns. This is why the police are there. Robbers can't rob any house they want without risking the police getting them and being put on trial. That's how it is supposed to work in CIVILIZED society. If it is not always perfect then you seem to think we should just go back to the wild west or the middle ages.

You have a lot more confidence in the system than the average person.There will never be enough cops to curtail all violent crime and the court system routinely frees repeat offenders. It was illegal (due to confidentiality) to share the mental health records of the VT psycho in order to decline the purchase of a firearm.(The law is being changed.)Some idiot at VT also decided to declare a "gun free" zone.How enticing is that for some anti-social nutjob? A few qualified concealed carry permit holders in the area would have changed the outcome of this murder spree -and make all criminals think twice. If you don't want firearms in your house,that's ok.But I will keep mine to ensure that CIVILIZATION is maintained.

"Need" doesn't come into it - rights are what count, and people have the right to do what they want as long as they're not impinging on anyone else's rights. In any case, I see no reason why automatics should be treated as a special case - where I live, an individual can own a WW1 vintage anti-tank rifle, but not an Uzi. Which do you think is more dangerous? (Trick question, guns aren't dangerous, only violent people are.)

Who would run this "mental health evaluation" and by what standards? Psychology is nothing like an exact science, and most people who have mental health issues are no threat to anyone in any case.

Well, I guess whomever you trust. But, on the otherhand, I'm sure that is no one.

great answer.but some people still wont get what you are saying.

Cheers Rodney. I sometimes think gun grabbers have some kind of mental block. They just can't seem to imagine a different way of looking at things.

I'm not anti-gun FYI. I mentioned regulation and licensure, similar to what we have for other potentially dangerous weapons, i.e. cars/trucks. We have guns in our house, but not automatic or high-powered.
I obviously have more faith in "civilized" society that doesn't see shooting people as the only answer to maintaining the peace. I protect myself and my property through other means and I think that is perfectly reasonable and not at all delusional.
Criminals are obviously detered by laws - not eliminated but detered. Others are protected by laws even when they are not perfect. Again, you are proposing the Wild West.
And if you are not a PART of the anarchist mob, then I WILL be surprised!

Mclendon, when did I advocate shooting people? I'm still waiting for a reason to voluntarily give up my guns.

Cheers. Thanks for replying.

Unfortunately, I guess, the Constitution isn't as clear as you would like it to be. It refers to a "well-regulated(yes, REGULATED) militia" and the right of "the people" to bear arms. It doesn't say it is the right of every INDIVIDUAL crank to own a stockpile of weapons or to go packin' anytime they like.

yes regulate a MILITIA but the people still have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms.and our founding fathers did not mean cut the sleeves off your shirts so to have bare arms.

an individual citizen by himself is not a militia.when the individuals band together in numbers and organize POOF they become a militia,and yes militia's should be regulated.god or whatever has given me the ability and the intelligence to defend myself,no matter what gangs of men say or proclaim.not only is arming ones self a RIGHT,i also feel it is a instinct and therfore natural.

plus the supreme court agreed with me today