How People Choose To Go To Hell

Hey zukepr:D I minused you, I hope you liked it. did it feel good for you too?;) hehehe

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you know I like it like that
hehe thanks

God actually made it for the devil and the angels that followed him in rebellion... wouldn't be less than loving if God knew about it and didn't warn us?

Can you prove that its a man made concept? Can you prove that 100% without a doubt in mind? So you might want to wake up...

And where is your proof? Outside of the bible and any other christian book??

Can you prove yours 100%?
better yet can you do it withOUT using the bible as reference?

There is no proof outside of the bible... it is all on faith of the individual. I'm Christian but I wonder why Christians need to get on here and proselytize to everyone here that is not of the same belief. Every religion is man made. I don't believe in religiosity.. my faith is my own without me having to push it down anyone's throat.

lol... i don't have to prove anything... because if i'm wrong, according to what you guys believe, it won't matter anyway because we all go to heaven...

but if you're all wrong, then you should probably be worried... i'm in a win win no matter what happens...

I dont beleive in heaven just as i dont beleive in hell
so dont pretend to know what i beleive
thanks

I agree with you Oreo. I believe in Heaven and Hell and I am also Christian. But I am not the type of person to tell people where there will or will not go. That isn't my place, nor is it anyone elses. Instead of us worrying about other individuals' destinations, we should worry about ourselves. The world would be so much better.

''Can you prove that its a man made concept? Can you prove that 100% without a doubt in mind? So you might want to wake up...'
etnad0, I have got solid proof that hell is man made concept, hell does not exist? But what is the use of explaining the proof to you? Do you think you will understand? If you had the capability of understanding that hell is man-made, then you would not have asked the question in the first place.

"God actually made it for the devil and the angels that followed him in rebellion... "
Is it so? How did the devil have the power to rebel against almighty God?

but if you're all wrong, then you should probably be worried... i'm in a win win no matter what happens..."'
No, you are not in a win win situation. How are you so sure that you will not stop believing in Christ? I know of many people who later became agnostics. You are not ina win win situation until you die.

i'm assuming you know someone who died and came back?

anyone can rebell, but he obviously didn't win. i didn't say he beat God, he just rebelled.

and yes, i'm in a win win, because of what i've been through, seen, experienced, lived. i personally KNOW that God exists. you are free to believe what you want, but i couldn't deny that God exists, because i KNOW He exists just like the computer i'm using to write this on. i've been given every bit of proof i need.

Well I dont know about your computer but mine is man made just like God
Where exactly is your proof?
feelings and thoughts are not fact so where is the proof that god exists?

Hey zukepr, I plussed you, do you hate it?? haha

This guy isn't even a proper Christian! He's admitted that he's in a "win win situation", so he's believing just in case??!

AHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO
you plussed me!?
Dang it i want minuses!
seriously minus me!

when you said this---

And seriously what sort of lame God would threaten people with "going to hell"

i for some reason pictured george bush hahahahahahahahahahaahahaha

etnad0, Am sorry to say, but yu are not in a win-win. Before, you die you might get some experience which will make you lose your belief in God. Oh, I know a good number of people who were believing God and later turned to agnostics.
So, there is no reason for u to get so excited. None is in a win-win- situation.
Moreover, what if God is a liar, a sadist? What if he will send everybody to hell, you included?
Your experiences might be just tricks played on you by God.

Seriously people...scientists are now realizing that there is SOMETHING out there greater than us. Their study of the universe shows that everything is too precise for it to just have happened randomly. There is a God.

actually, the "something more" that scientists are studying now, has nothing to do with god, but with a whole new concept of phisics.
the quantum theory introduces extremely peculiar concepts, like the ubiquity of a single particle, and the existance of parallel dimensions.
but none of this has to do with proof of the existance of god. it's just a new and hard to believe branch of discussion, that obviously has to deal with religion, as any theory trying to explain the structure of the universe.

Lots of people use the phrase 'prove, without using the bible'

Firstly, you can't scientifically prove this - you'd need a lab and 3 identical universes!

That means you must resort to evidential proof - the only suggestion for heaven and hell is from what God says.
What then needs to be evaluated, is whether what God says for things we can test is true. If we find that, we can trust him for what we can't test, like heaven.
100% proof is unattainable in this situation - so to say you require it is a getaway clause to stop you changing your position. All we can do is examine the subjective arguments for each case.

loving God?
Ask Abraham and isaac how loving he was PFT!

Yeah I always wondered what happened with Issac and his father after that lol. That must have been great.

LOL... the crusades was MAN killing in God's name... what does that have to do with God?

You assume there were good people in Sodom... God said in the Bible, that He would spare it if it had only 10 righteous people there... and there weren't...

He told her not to turn around... He warned her... her bad... lol...

A loving God warns you and lets you make your own decisions... so don't blame God for your personal choices...

by the way... what was not loving about the abraham and isaac story? God had abraham ACT out sacrificing his only begotten son on a hill for sins... wow, that sounds familiar...

in the original Hebrew when they are walking up to the mountain and isaac asks where's the lamb... abraham says "God will provide Himself as a lamb" and if memory serves me right... Jesus was called the lamb of God... and He was God in the flesh... kinda starts to make sense once you read the whole thing...

Oh I have read the whole thing, a few times actually. You see I used to be a christian, I used to be saved, I was raised in church. Then I woke up and thought for myself and read the bible under a new understanding. Kinda like saul becoming paul his eyes were blinded to the truth, and then he woke up and saw the truth? Only I went the other way.


Pagan and Proud

Goddess Bless you.

i did the same... and that's why i don't attend church anymore... so i'm not placing my faith in something i was taught, but something i actually believe based on life experience...

Hello, etnad0,
I get chills when I read your words.
In a good way.

I have not considered some of the
things that you mentioned.

You have a very enlightened
view about God.

Your church is in your heart,
and soul where God lives.

Thank you for sticking up for your
beliefs.

I wish we all were so brave.

Be well,
BeautyQueen

"'so i'm not placing my faith in something i was taught, but something i actually believe based on life experience... ""
etnad0, What life experience are you speaking about? I too have got some life experience and that experience says there is no hell.
If you have got life experience, then why do you quote from the Bible? The hell theory is of the Bible.

i have tons of experiences. for instance, i'll just give 1. when i was a kid, i heard a LITERAL voice call me out loud, in the house, in the middle of the day. i lived with my grandparents for a while, and they were very religious, but they never talked about anything outside of church. i was about 4 or 5 years old and thought my grandfather called me.

my grandmother told me not to answer, but i did anyway, and the voice told me to get baptized. "coincidentally" there was a baptism going on that night in church that i knew nothing about and none of us were going until i asked my grandfather. to keep it rather short, that was the beginning of a lot of supernatural experiences in my life, that still continue.

Hearing voices - maybe you're schitzophrenic?

Please see a psychiatrist for your own sanity.

Loiuse- so was Joan of Arc (lmao!) but she managed to lead an army.. maybe mentally distrurbed people aren't so bad huh?*rolls eyes*

god, or any divine entity, has no responsability for what human beings do.
the crusades and the inquisition were perpetrated in his name, but there's no reason why he would have inspired or guided them.
not considering the fact that they both turned out to be huge failures, and do you really thing god would guide the army that loses???

louise99 people only assume that is a psychiatric problem because the masses don't experience it... but it has been proven with science that the brain functions on different frequencies... kids can experience frequencies that adults can't... and some autistics are the same way... don't assume that everyone who hears voices is crazy... maybe the crazy people don't hear voices...

i'm guessing someone around here can prove that people created heaven and hell?

If someone could prove heaven and hell exist, then maybe.

*If someone could prove heaven and hell exist, then maybe.*
i absolutely agree with you, lavender

*'m guessing someone around here can prove that people created heaven and hell?*
there is even no proof of the existence of heaven and hell. maybe you can refer to the bible or other scriptures. that is not proof. you just assume that the bible is true, as it is the words of god. btw can you prove that the bible is the words of god? don't worry, nobody can do that. the bible is written by human.

you don't have to see something to know it exists... have you ever seen an atom with your own eyes? not in a book... no, but you believe it because a MAN told you it was there... have you ever seen gravity? no, but you believe its there because a MAN said it was... for all we know it could be something non of us have ever conceived of.

Have you ever seen air? Of course not, but you feel it, so you believe in it... you experience it, so you believe... and those of us who have felt and experienced God have just as much proof as you do to conclude that air is real...

You've never seen UV rays from the sun either... but you believe in them because a MAN said they exist... so my position is just as valid as yours... I believe the men who claim to have experienced the God in the Bible... The Bible has never been proven inaccurate IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE... there are a few translation errors, but most of the original manuscripts still exist to translate from...

We'll agree to disagree, k?

I do not believe that hell
is a place where people are physically
tortured.

In my beliefs, real hell is separation
from God.

Those who do not believe in God
will simply be seperated from God.

What could be more torturous than
a seperation from the Living God.

Maybe hell is not about torture,
but about a place where those people
who did not believe will go to be
outside the presence of God.

And when they go there,
they will realize finally
what they have lost.

Their eyes will be opened and
the veil lifted away and their heart
will know that they have given
up the only thing actually worth living
for.

Those people won't be living in the world
with the presence of God around them daily.

They will be separated from Him.

I cannot imagine a more tortured place
to live than outside God's presence.

I would feel tortured to live in such
a place.

I do believe that God would have his
children with him always.

And he said that he would not lose
one of them.

I believe that too.

Mankind does have free will.
If he chooses it to turn away,
then maybe God will turn him back.

He is a loving and compassionate God
to those who belong to him.

And like a kind Father, he has patience
with those who stray.

It's easy to blame Him for acts of Man
or unjust deeds and crime committed by
mankind. Mankind has free will and often
uses that free will to commit evil deeds
and crime.

But those things are not his fault.

I wish that more people understood
that it's possible to serve God whether
or not one attends an organized religion.

Long before Churches were created,
a person served Him in their own home.

Church and God live in the heart.

It's possible to attend Church
and not have God in the heart.

It's also possible for a person
to have God in the heart and not
attend church.

Here's a link where you might find out
more about God and his works in this
modern time.

http://www.branham.org/Br...

http://www.branham.org/Br...

http://www.branham.org/Br...

"'Have you ever seen air? Of course not, but you feel it, so you believe in it... you experience it, so you believe... and those of us who have felt and experienced God have just as much proof as you do to conclude that air is real..."'
etnad0, As far as air is concerned, all of us feel it. Therefore, air is real?
How is that not all, but only some( people like you) seem to feel God?
And have you seen and experienced hell? If so, how have you come back from hell? Is not hell for eternity?"

some people only experience winning the lottery, but we know its real. some people only experience going into space but we know its real. 99.9% of the planet has never been on the moon, but none of us believe that there is any oxygen there. you can give me all of your logic on outerspace, but unless you have either personally been there, or have the equipment to test, then you have to take another MAN's word for what's up there.

you've never travelled to a star, but you believe it is light years away, because another MAN said so. there is no sufficient, or complete fossil record to support evolution. it can't be observed or felt, but people still believe it. there are no pictures of George Washington, but people believe in him. as far as we know, people could have made him up.

what happened to the mayans? as far as we know, they were a myth. my point is, we could go on forever about things, people and places that have never been seen or experienced, or only seen and experienced by very few, but you will always find someone who believes in it.

etnad0, Yes. Only some experience winning the lottery, but majority experience ‘not winning the lottery’. ‘Not winning the lottery’ is enough proof that someone can win the lottery. If nobody wins the lottery, then what is the fun of lottery?
Everybody can experience going into space, but they cannot afford it. Money is required for that. Moreover, those people who have gone there have taken photos and thus there is scientific proof. Same is the case with moon. Photos have been taken.
Can you take one photo of your God, heaven or hell and send it to me? Only one photo is enough. Or if you are hearing the voice of the Lord, then tape that voice and send a cassette.
Is not God omni-present? Then how is it that only some can see or feel him? Should not everybody be able to experience him?
Moon is not omni=present. It is located at such nd such a place. Therefore, everybody canot ( cannt afford to) go there.
Moreover, the way you speak is that you believe in God. But belief is not certainty. God andhell is only your assumption. And you seem to believe God in order to reach heaven. Your love is not for God, but for the delights of heaven. Is this not hypocrisy?
If you love a rich man fro his money and he comes to find it out, he will get angry with you. Same is he case with God.

people have taken photos of what you BELIEVE to be space... if you have never been, therefore, you can never ACTUALLY know what it looks like from personal experience... people have also taken pictures of UFOs, Big Foot, and Ghosts... but some choose not to believe it anyway... so again, if you haven't experienced it, you can't for 100% sure say whether someone else's experience is genuine or not...

and you assume that I love heaven... not the case... I have proof in my own personal life of God's existence...

etnad0, about belief in space

people have taken photos of what you BELIEVE to be space... if you haven't experienced it, you can't for 100% sure say whether someone else's experience is genuine or not...’”””

Well, I never said that I believe 100% in space. There are also good number of people who do not even know that someone has gone to moon.
But you can see the atmosphere. What you call Sky, is actually atmosphere.
Some people have seen some others go out into atmosphere and moon. These people have sat in spaceships or rocket, whatever it is, and have been seen traveling into atmosphere. And they have been seen carrying oxygen cylinders with them, which becomes clear that there is no oxygen in the place where they went to. Otherwise, who s the fool to carry oxygen cylinders?
And everybody can go to moon. It is only that people cannot afford o go there.
And I repeat this again: If God is omni-present then each and every peron would have been able to see or feel or hear him. Moon is not omni=present.
And if God is loving, then h e should have been impartial. But God has always selected less than 1% of people. How is that a loving or impartial God does not give spiritual experiences to all people? Is not this partiality?