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myLot reputation of 94/100. ahgong (2101)   ranked 2 out of 95 in singapore4 months ago

Who is the government trying to kid?

I read with interest about the recent activation of the ERP along a stretch of road that runs around the city.
You can read the article here:
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/264016.asp

It is always human nature that when one is slapped in the face with additional charges, one would have the knee jerk reaction of trying to find an alternative. AND until one cannot find an alternative, then he will have to go back to the routine and accept the charges.

So, the gantry went up yesterday. Today, the traffic improves. And all the people at the top are patting themselves in the back saying they are doing a good job using this tolls as the traffic controlling tool.

rolleyes Sheez! rolleyes

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. raclie (888)   ranked 56 out of 95 in singapore   4 months ago

well....
all i can think is that it will decrease traffic flow, and thus make singapore a cleaner place to live as there will be more people using public transport.
i think using using this tolls as the traffic controlling tool is a good idea as it will discurage people from using the major city roads and use public transport.
public transport is cheaper and cleaner at a long run, so everyone wins...


myLot reputation of 94/100. ahgong (2101)   ranked 2 out of 95 in singapore  2 months ago

Well, if everyone starts to take the trains because it is too expensive to drive, then the cost of public transport is going to increase again.

The same old song will go... "We need to put more trains to handle the additional capacity. Activate more people to direct human traffic. Cos have increase thus. So we must increase fares!"

But it never once cross their thick numb skull that the sheer number of increase in ridership will more than offset their increase in deploying more resources.

It is always a one sided affair when they are increasing the fares.
Out of ten application by the service operators to the board for increase, nine of them will be approved.
Even though the increase may not be much, but they add up!
And it is no small sum, mind you!

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2. myLot reputation of 80/100. neuronic (389)   ranked 53 out of 95 in singapore   4 months ago

I read the article and totally understand your anger. The article indicates that the authorities are very proud to level up the traffic flux but at the same time they do additional charging. You might or might not be aware of that this actually happens in every country with good highway infrastructure. Not only will they charge you for driving on these roads, they will charge you even when you drive around the city (usually there's a highway ring around any bigger city).
Unfortunately for you and me, today the governments need money, because they are in constant dept, if not to somebody else then they make a reason why are they in dept to themselves. I know it's sounds LOL-ish, but well, accept that as a fact and you'll sleep easier. We live in the capitalism and our results are measured by the amount of money we create in the specific time. Do you think that government as a subject is any different than human being itself?

Anyhow, good luck with finding alternatives, I'm sure you will. Please do not get mad, sometimes I like to express my point of view more precisely, so don't get offended if I write a novel in response to your post of such kind.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ahgong (2101)   ranked 2 out of 95 in singapore  4 months ago

I am not angry. Well, not exactly. More of frustrated. Cos this would mean some of my weekly shopping trips to some of my favorite stores is going to cost more due to the charges.

But I am more amused than angry. Like I said, having been slapped with higher charges, drivers will naturally avoid that stretch of road in the first few weeks, seeking alternative routes. Once all alternatives are exhausted, they will naturally go back to the same route, bearing the extra cost due to one reason or another.

So to pad oneself on the back for lower traffic usage on the first day, is... well, DUH~~~~!! rolleyes
Give it a month or two without tweaking the existing rules and pricing, and if the traffic remains the same, then you can pat yourself in the back. no? rolleyes

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3. myLot reputation of 100/100. squaretile (2210)   ranked 1 out of 95 in singapore   4 months ago

You're right, it's really disgusting how they are implementing this when there are food shortages and fuel increases and electricity tariff increases.

crazy time to do such an extensive increase in road charges.

I'm glad that I don't own a car, but it's just getting rather ridiculous. did you hear the news that they intend to increase the total number from 60 to 90! I am amazed that they even dared to report this! in any other country there'd be protests on the streets already.

sometimes i just wish i wasn't living here.


myLot reputation of 94/100. ahgong (2101)   ranked 2 out of 95 in singapore  4 months ago

I have got nothing against the ERP and its implementation.
I have no qualms about having tolls to go into the city.

Living here is not that bad. It is just that, somethimmes the way the policies are implemented, and how they pat themselves on the back after the implementation that amuses me.

To increase from the existing 60 to 90?!? blink So many gantries? Well, I feel, too much. If you are in the city, you are in the city. If it is so important to segregate them, then follow the French design of Paris! Where there are rings around the city center and you only pay one charge to travel within that same ring. You cross the rings, then you pay.

But here, the ERP is like all over the frigging place.
Sigh~~~ I wonder what goes on in the minds of these people who are designing the allocation of the gantries.

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. applefreak (1464)   ranked 5 out of 95 in singapore   4 months ago

actually i do agree with the ERP system. it's not meant to deter people from going through that stretch totally. it's meant to divert traffic during the peak hours. it works to a certain extent in that people who doesn't Need to be there will not go through there. i used to stay in that area and i can say the traffic there is horrendous. it takes at least 20min just to clear a 1.5km stretch of road. if it can make people think twice about using that road, it's working already.;p


myLot reputation of 94/100. ahgong (2101)   ranked 2 out of 95 in singapore  4 months ago

I have got nothing against the ERP and its implementation.
I have no qualms about having tolls to go into the city.
And I do know what you mean about the horrendous traffic. Cos I ever chalked up a $10 meter fare waiting in the cab that is stuck in traffic along this stretch of road.

What amuses me is this:
It is always human nature that having been slapped with higher charges, drivers will have the knee jerk reaction and naturally avoid that stretch of road in the first few weeks, seeking alternative routes.

Only all alternatives are exhausted, they will naturally go back to the same route, bearing the extra cost due to one reason or another.

So to pad oneself on the back for lower traffic usage on the first day, is... well, DUH~~~~!! rolleyes

And also to create so many gantrys for the various area is also, well, I feel, too much. If you are in the city, you are in the city. If it is so important to segregate them, then follow the French design of Paris! Where there are rings around the city center and you only pay one charge to travel within that same ring. You cross the rings, then you pay.
But here, the ERP is like all over the frigging place. no?


myLot reputation of 99/100. applefreak (1464)   ranked 5 out of 95 in singapore  4 months ago

well i can only hope it's not a knee jerk reaction. i do consciously avoid certain places during certain hours. i don't so much try alternative routes. with petrol prices now, it's more expensive to take detours.;o

so in a way, yes i either go off work earlier or i'll just hang around town before heading home. it's easier since i've got direct train home from work. so i can meet my partner at home too.;p


myLot reputation of 94/100. ahgong (2101)   ranked 2 out of 95 in singapore  2 months ago

Well, I am sure when the traffic starts to pick up, the media will not be so quick to report it.
With so many gantries being up on the major roads, most of the small roads are getting congested. And due to that, what use to take 40 mins to get to work on the smaller roads, now takes up to and hour and a half or more just to travel the same route.

I am sure it is a matter of time before these congested small roads (which was the result of those knee jerk reactions to avoid the ERP gantries) will also have gantries of their own to "regulate" traffic.

Sigh~~~ it is a vicious cycle!

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