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myLot reputation of 75/100. myklj999 (6283)   ranked 288 out of 7,742 in religion5 months ago

It's come to the point that there are more religions than Baskin-Robbins has ice cream flavors. All religions seem pretty much the same to me in that it is the worship of a Deity or Deities that control our lives and what occurs in them. Now, while I am not of any one religion, I think there must be a Higher Power or Greater Wisdom or something out there. Maybe it's just an alien race that seeded us here thousands of years ago. I'll probably never know. But it seems strange to me that of all these different religions, they all seem to teach tolerance and kindness towards others, yet what I think is the most visible of them, Christianity, appears to be loaded with many whom unduly and unfairly attack those who believe different. Now, I'm not saying all Christians are like this; but if you base it on percentages, the Christian followers are the least tolerant of anyone. Almost every other group can have a discussion about the differences between their group and someone else's without resorting to name calling and threats of Hell and damnation except for the Christians (again, let me emphasis I don't mean all Christians.) Why is this? Are they so insecure in their own belief that anyone questioning it is a threat to them? Why can't they just have a conversation about how loved they feel by their God and not about "My God is the only God and any who don't believe are stupid ignorant Godless Pagans/Heathens/ so on and so forth. They seem to equate Paganism and Heathenism with Atheism, when in fact the only people that don't believe in any God are the Atheists. Now there's a rude bunch for ya if you try to talk religion! So what do you think it is that makes so many Christians so insecure in their belief that they feel they must denigrate anyone who believes differently?

 
 
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tigertang (1485) response was accepted on 7/24/2008.
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1. myLot reputation of 83/100. Pitgull (836)   ranked 1,035 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

They seem to be open to listening to your beliefs in their God, but when you start questioning, they close off.

Close minded.

This is usually a development of brainwashing. People can brainwash themselves.

I just read this post about Pagans, and it was completely offensive, coming from a Catholic.

Isn't it there God they quote all the time that says Only He can judge me....and yet these people think if they believe they have the right to judge everyone else. Just because you believe in God, does not mean you are a good person.

Hell...that's the fear mongering that goes along with the Republicans of our country....

I told someone how I did not believe in the Devil, and then they asked how could I not? That means I'll blame God for everything that happens in life. No, I don't blame God or the Devil for good or bad things in the world, THAT IS REAL LIFE!!!!!!

ack, I'm not yelling at you, thanks for letting me vent, and wonderful wording of your conversation, writing about these issues and not being offensive, is a hard task and I think you accomplished it beautifully.

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2. myLot reputation of 73/100. everlasting (10033)   ranked 1,483 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

We have this perception that religion is the one that makes a person good or kind. it is not. Being good or bad is a product of our choices. it does not guarantee that a person is good if she is a follower of a religion that teaches you to be good!

They are so insecured because so many writings from the past which proved that their religion is just a copycat from ancient beliefs. Have you watch zeitgeist movie? It is free in the you tube.

I once commented on a discussion here where the one who started it said, "thanks satan because the atheist population is growing!" They are that narrow minded! It is them who believes in satan and never the atheists. If they are objective, they should have done a research why this is happening!

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3. myLot reputation of 81/100. tigertang (1485)   ranked 855 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

I think someone should do a thesis on this - someone really should examine how the growing number of religions has lead to the situation of people having less tolerance for each other.

I also think it's really cool that you have placed this on mylot, a place where people have been free to behave as they really are. You get see people who claim to be Christians, Jews and Muslims - people who claim to have a special connection to God behaving in the most ungodly way. I don't what it is but people who claim to have a special relationship with God have a special talent of behaving in a very ungodly fashion.

But perhaps it's not just the number of religions leading to greater intolerant between people. You should also look at the various sects of the same religion being more intolerant of each other than anything else. Look at the way Catholics and Protestants have been each other's throats for much of Europeans history. Look at the way Sunni's and Shia's are busy killing each other in the Middle East.

I think it may not be so much the religion at fault here but the belief that people of that religion have the "exclusive" franchise on God. Personally, the teachings o f Christ are Godly in what they teach and I also think the Prophet Mohamed makes allot of sense.

However, both their followers have developed the idea that they and they alone have the exclusive franchise for God and the problem with thinking you have the exclusive, is the fact that you have to understand that everyone else is wrong. And there in lies the problem with too many religions - or too many exclusive franchises for God.


myLot reputation of 86/100. craftcatcher (1940)   ranked 286 out of 7,742 in religion  4 months ago

Hi tigertang. I was very impressed with your response on this subject and would be very interested to get your thoughts about a discussion I started. We have similar ideas on the followers of religion and I think you would find the discussion interesting. Looking forward to hearing from you!

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4. myLot reputation of 84/100. lotterylover (2999)   ranked 118 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

You have made a good point. I have tried to just discuss what I believe rather then try to convince people that my way is the only way. I know there are people in other churches who will be saved. I think churches are like soap. Look how many different soaps there are. WE all have a different need when cleaning clothes. Some clothes just need a good rinse while others like greasy oil needs a tougher soap. People choose different churches and religions because of their need and not necessarily one that follows the Bible completely. I think it is just a unpleasant characteristic of humans to want to be better than their neighbor. IT is all about keeping ahead of the Jones.


myLot reputation of 89/100. uath13 (2585)   ranked 249 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

I have to say I really like the soap analogy.
Pass the Irish Spring. cool

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5. myLot reputation of 83/100. mmiller26 (1229)   ranked 199 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

This is a tough one and I'm not sure how to answer. A lot of Christians have a massive persecution complex and it's mostly imagined. Even though Christianity makes up a HUGE portion of the world's religious base and the Catholic church has enjoyed enormous power through the ages, and that the United States government is filled with right-wing fundamentalists, (and the evangelical Christianity that is practiced there is not practiced anywhere else--that's what you get for having a country founded by Puritans) they believe that there's some other entity or religion trying to bring them down. It's fear, plain and simple, that something different might come along and threaten their way of life. Fear always leads to hatred. We've seen that throughout history.

Religion, by its very definition is intolerant, I suppose. A religion cannot claim that their God is the one true God and be tolerant that there are other gods out there being worshiped. There may be tolerant people within it, but tolerance does not stem from fundamentalism. These people follow blindly like sheep and do not question what they're told. Religion without reason and thought leads to fanaticism, and fanatics have no use for anyone who doesn't believe what they believe.

I consider myself to be Christian but my brand of Christianity is far removed from the bible-thumping different-hating insecure fire-and-brimstone eternal damnation....crap...that is taught in a lot of churches today. And I get annoyed when people like that get in my face. I don't worship the bible. I don't have much use for it, as a matter of fact. I pay attention to Jesus and the life lessons he had to impart, and a very big part of what he had to say was simply, love one another. Love each other, and accept each other. Don't judge because you're not perfect either. Strive to bring peace to the world around you. Everyone out there are your brothers and sisters, and treat them like family. A lot of Christians have gotten away from that message, and maybe that's why they have so much to fear.


myLot reputation of 89/100. uath13 (2585)   ranked 249 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

Ever considered a job in the Christian ministry? Sounds like you'd make a fine example.


myLot reputation of 83/100. mmiller26 (1229)   ranked 199 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

I think I'd have a really tough time with that and would probably give myself stress-related heart problems in no time. lol. I get worked up enough as it is wrangling with people here on MyLot who use their faith as a weapon.


But I do thank you. That's a very nice compliment.

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6. myLot reputation of 40/100. sndcain36 (719)   ranked 2,005 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

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myLot reputation of 75/100. myklj999 (6283)   ranked 288 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

And I remind you, I specified not all Christians are this way. But I've had so many tell me if I don't believe in God I must be a Satanist blink and totally ignore the fact that to be a Satanist you have to believe in God. Any many of them are not very nice to people who's religious views run more towards the lines of Paganism or Heathenism. And then I have met some that actually live what they preach; love and tolerance towards all people; but they seem to be a minority as far as I have personally seen.


myLot reputation of 40/100. sndcain36 (719)   ranked 2,005 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

*gasp* Your a PAGAN?!?!?!?! Omg you're so going to hell.

haha....just kidding...I don't believe in hell so it's all good...;)

That reminds me I have an excellent discussion about the concept of hell I plan to write here...personally I don't believe hell as a place of eternal torment exists, and I got the Bible verses to back it up...

It promises to rile up all the natives...hehe

I think it will be an interesting discussion...you want in?


myLot reputation of 75/100. myklj999 (6283)   ranked 288 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

Actually, I'm Agnostic, but I like discussing all views of religion. I've run into several Pagans here that seem like really good people, and I always back my friends when needed; just as I would back you if someone was trying to thrash you for your beliefs (although I don't think you'd let them get far lol)


myLot reputation of 45/100. darkjedi (2437)   ranked 2,900 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

Im pagan.

*glares*

got a problem with it? hehehehe;)


I want in on that discussion your talking about:D


myLot reputation of 81/100. tigertang (1485)   ranked 855 out of 7,742 in religion  5 months ago

As is not often said, there is way too little emphasis on the spirit of the book and way too much on the letters. If a good many Christians bothered to read the Bible, they'd find that Jesus spends a good portion of the Gospels making that point.

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7. cowboy_up (19)   ranked 4,273 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

I agree with you. I have noticed that those that follow catholisism are some of the most intollerant people that I have ever run in to. From what I can tell from speaking to some of them they believe that what they believe is the only thing that could possibly be right and if you aren't catholic then you are damned to an eternity of fire and brimstone. What I think is really funny about the catholic religion is that they think that you can go out, do whatever the heck you want then as long as you go and confess what you have just done and then say a few "hail marys" that all is good and you can go back out and do the exact thing over and over again. What astounds me is that the book that they say is absolutely correct and true and they believe completely in (by the way.... the way it is currently translated it cannot be completely true, 'cause it contradicts itself I am sure that in the original language it didn't but the way that it is currently translated it does.) says that when you repent you are supposed to make a commitment to God to attempt NOT to commit the sin again. That is not how the catholics make their belief system work. Which leads me to ask... how can they claim that they believe in the bible when they seem to shun one of its principle teachings.

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8. myLot reputation of 100/100. zeroflashx2 (1583)   ranked 2,849 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

It's just a matter of acceptance and respect. The acceptance that everyone is entitled to follow what they believe in and respect by at least giving way to their beliefs and not discriminate or take offense on anything. I agree with you. Who knows how the world came upon? There must have been a source somewhere. Nobody knows. There's where belief and faith comes in. We may be different in beliefs but we are definitely similar about something, we all believe.

I honestly don't have a very accurate guess, at least, why there is such less tolerance on different religions. It could just be the sheer number of religions and lack of knowledge that makes them react immediately since they don't understand it or the concept is new to them. It's probably the confusion that ignites the conflict. The bottom line is, people have different beliefs, people have different preference, and if there are people who are different/unique, just let them be. We have no right to judge them based on belief or almost anything else for that matter. If only everyone could give each other space. Sadly, there will always be at least someone who won't.

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9. myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3476)   ranked 808 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

Forgive them Myklj for the know not what they do. The real issue is that having said how my faith guides me I then cannot grasp that maybe yours guides you just as effectively. Even being an atheist doesn't mean you don't have faith in at least yourself.

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10. myLot reputation of 97/100. Pose123 (3754)   ranked 11 out of 7,742 in religion   5 months ago

Hi myklj999, As you say, all Christians are not like this, and we have to make that point very clear. There are also some Muslims here who are not tolerant of others, although I've also discovered that is not true of all Muslims either. Most people in the Americas were raised in the Christian tradition or at least surrounded by it, and in a lot of cases don't know enough about other traditions to judge them. Like you I could never be an Atheist, although I have no problem with those who chose that way, I feel that there has to be something more than we see here. Before judging anyone, I think we have to look at their upbringing and lets face it, many have been taught to be intolerant, even by sometimes well meaning parents. Those who are convinced that their way is the only way feel an obligation to teach their children what they believe is the truth. This holds true if one is a fundamentalist Christian, a Mormon, a Jehovah's Witness, or one of a hundred other smaller groups. This same people have been told that they must tell others of this truth and that it is of the utmost importance. The problem for all of them is the same, they have no proof other than to quote the Bible, which is pointless to someone who doesn't believe it. We all get upset sometimes when others don't see things our way, we get frustrated and say things things that would be better left unsaid, this I think is what happens with these Christians and others who resort to name calling. Blessings.

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