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myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life4 weeks ago

““Sometimes, a patient or family and doctor aren’t compatible. ... Therefore, a doctor can dismiss the patient from his practice.”
"Of course, we need to exercise this option sensibly. Doctors cannot fire a patient in dire straits like severe pain, bleeding or a life-threatening situation. And of course, we cannot refuse to see patients because of their race, age, sexual orientationand so on."

Do you agree that a doctor should have the right to choose his patients??

.......when the patient and his family are not compatible. The most obvious reasons are failing to pay or missing multiple appointments. Refusing to adhere to treatments can lead to dismissal. So can being abusive to him and the medical staff?



.....patient and doctor compatibility
 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 94/100. baileycows (1583)   ranked 2,419 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

Yes, I think so. I mean just because he makes good money does not mean that he deserves to be put through $%^&. And if this patient comes in he could aggravate the doctor and he may inadvertently take it out on everyone the rest of the day if it gets to him. It is just not a healthy situation all around.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

I agree. Under normal circumstances there is no harm if a doctor want to choose his patient.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

HI ALL

Pls read:

Can a doctor dismiss/choose a patient??

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. alokn99 (1291)   ranked 668 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

Mimpi,

A very interesting and thought provoking topic.

I do agree that the doctor has the right to choose his patients. For the reasons that you have explained, most certainly so. The compatibilty of the patient or his family members with the doctor is the difficult one, however I would still go in favour of the doctor. I have seen instances where a patient does not have a say in the matter, and it is the over anxious family members who complicate the issue. Any such abusive or threatning behaviour will most certainly cause a lot of distress to the doctor, he will not be able to focus on the illness, may then make an error and further complicate the case. There are those who might say that this is an ethical issue, but in my opinion the moment the patient or his family members transgress the line of respect and faith in the doctor, there is no sense in the doctor patient relationship continuing. The responsibility of the doctor here would to give a notice or inform the patient/family of his not wanting to treat the case any more and giving the patient/family members a reasonable time to find a suitable replacement.

The doctor also the option of refusing to treat the patient when he is of the opinion that he may not be the best qualified for it and may want to refer it someone else.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

I totally agree to what you have to say. In fact, I know of a case where the patient's immediate family members went overboard questioning the doctor's ability and doctor's greed for money and stuffs like that. I agree our medical infrastructure is corrupted to the core but there are some doctors who are doing very good. I feel, patient-doctor compatibility is very important and the doctors should have the freedom to ensure proper treatment to the patient.

Thanks for enriching this post.


myLot reputation of 93/100. alokn99 (1291)   ranked 668 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

I found this discussion so interesting, that I felt I should add a live ongoing doctor patient compatibility example .
I had very recently done the introduction between 2 friends, one of them being a doctor and the other the patient. My inputs are based on my last conversation with the doctor enquiring on the status of the case. His friendly feedback to me indicated

a. The patient has been seeking multiple parallel advice(some of which differ in opinion) from other specialists and has been bluntly putting them across to the doctor.
b. The patient being extremely concerned has been calling the doctor time and time again in addition to making multiple appointments over the last 4 days.

Knowing the patient, I know he is not going to stop that easily and wants to continue with this doctor. In my opinion this is likely to continue and get worse and will reach a point of harrasment thereby forcing the doctor to take a decision on wanting to continue treating the patient. The doctor is human like all of us after all.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

alok
that's exactly the essence of the discussion! The problem arises when we assume doctors as Gods when they are normal humans like us. The whole relationship gets gross when the same "God" is demeaned like anything with slightest impropriety. Here, of course, I am talking about good doctor with values.

You have cited an exemplary case where the doctors should have the right to choose for such patients are suspicious and due to multiple consultation kinda mix up the prescription and mess the whole line of treatment.


myLot reputation of 93/100. alokn99 (1291)   ranked 668 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

I have had some very memorable moments while they were trying to make their diagnosis and have experienced the human side of them in various aspects . I certainly learnt this,-If you want the best out of the doctor patient relationship, treat the doctor as your friend and not as God.

Thanks for a great discussion


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

Yes just like any other professionals who are good at the their job. We must respect him for the good work he does...and not as a God.

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3. myLot reputation of 89/100. ellie333 (4288)   ranked 709 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

I think that a doctor has a right to choose whether to take a patient or not just the same as when we make an appointment we can choose which doctor to see, well we can here in the UK anyway. We don't have to pay but if books are full they can refuse to take additional patients. There is one particular doctor that I don't get on too well with at my surgery so if they give me an appointment with her I will ask if there are any other appointments available. Ellie:D


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

Ellie,
I am just curious as to how would you feel if a doctor refuses to see a patient (who does not fit in the mentioned category) on compatibility ground. We, patient have the right and we can move on, choose our own doctors. But what about a doctor who feels that his competence is being questioned, his prescriptions are violated and still the patient coming to him just to allege him verbally.


myLot reputation of 89/100. ellie333 (4288)   ranked 709 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

Hi Mimipi, I think that a doctor has this right and here in the UK at my surgery patients due get struck off of the doctors list if continually rude and miss appointments frquently which is what I said really in the first sentence a doctor should be able to choose too. Ellie:D


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

Here in India, they don't and a lot of problem arises due to this. Good doctors suffer thus.

Huggles.

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4. myLot reputation of 97/100. teison2 (4568)   ranked 3,810 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

I think it is a tricky question. I can see situastion where it is really not wise for a doctor to continue seeing someone. I can certainly see situations where the pations no longer feel like seeing the doctor. Here we are free to choose another one twice a year.

I have to say I do not believe that doctors should be able to dismiss a patient. If he does not want a patient aymore he should first find a new doctor that will treat the patient. Some people, like addicts, homeless, difficult psychiatric patienst may soon find themselves all alone with no doctor a all I think. I imagine most doctors will agree on who they'd dismiss. While a patient may love a doctor and another will not like him. And it is the patients that are buying a service. naturally they should be able to take their money elsewhere.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

teison
even I feel that even if a doctor does not to treat a normal patient he should find a suitable replacement for him. Many times the doctors find that they are not conversant in a specific fields and might just want to transfer the patient to an expert's care.

You made a valid point there about the buying service thing. We do not see a seller refusing a buyer but there the question of business comes in.Even though it's medical practice is a profession, it's above business and the ethical point becomes prominent, I guess.

Thanks for a great response.

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5. myLot reputation of 89/100. dpk262006 (5150)   ranked 1,235 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

I think theoritcally a Doctor should not refuse a patient who is in dire straits. If a patient has failed to keep up his appointment or not in a position to pay the full fees, he should not be denied the treatment from a Doctor. If the Doctor is not happy with the behaviour of a patient, he has every right to tell him about it or even can scold him on this account, but ultimately he is supposed to attend the patient. But I find, in today's materialistic world, even some Doctors have become unsympathatic and stone heart. They wish to see the patients at their own convenience and treat some patients very shabbily. Perhaps they feel that Doctors (read good Doctors) are less than the number of (poor) patients, so if they send one patient back to home or refuse to see him, another will follow, with the result the patients who do not have resources (either monetary or otherwise) always face the ignomity of ill-treatment and suffer endlessly.
Very Good discussion!!thumbup


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

Deepak
you have made some good points there.
Say, the doctor is right (in this case) and his ability and intentions are being questioned by a mother of a kid who has to be treated by monthly basis by the same empaneled doctor...what you would say the? Will the doctor be wrong if he transfers the patient to another doctor and refuses to treat him on grounds on incompatibility with the guardians?


myLot reputation of 89/100. dpk262006 (5150)   ranked 1,235 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

If the intentions and ability of Doctor is questioned by a patient or the Doctor is belittled by the patient and/or his relatives, then the concerned Doctor has every right to refuse to attend the patient. Nobody (read No Doctor) will tolerate misbehaviour by the patient or his/her relatives. I feel sometimes patients and their relative lose their patience so soon that they start cursing the Doctor with no fault of his. Patients and their relatives should think rationally that afterall Doctor is also a human like them and he has his own limitations.

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6. myLot reputation of 90/100. apsara60 (1839)   ranked 1,173 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

Hi mimpi,
Personally I think, such a kind of behaviour is not suitable for medical profession. Though you have clearly mentioned the different situations where doctors obviously will not do this, but in general also, I think doctors should not do this. In emergency, we look at doctors as God, they are light of hope, they can changes tears into smiles.......such a divine and holy profession, will loose its respect if doctors will refuse patients, no matter what may be the reason. Beside I have not heard any such case........Have you heard about something like this.........Have a nice day mimpi dear....... happy


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

My point is somewhere there. We kind of take doctors as Gods and when they do anything untoward we just bash him to death. I have seen so many ppl regarding doctors as Gods and the next day when things go wrong they abuse the same doctor! Doctors cannot give life to people, can they? At the end of the day they are humans.
Here I am not talking about corruption and incompetent doctors whose only aim is to make money at any cost.

I feel, we should be little more thoughtful towards doctors who abide by their duties and who are good. Trust me we have good doctors as well.

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7. myLot reputation of 91/100. ella1bella (533)   ranked 1,066 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

We are in the UK, but the same applies to us.I think if the doctor has been abused by a patient,or the patient doesnt turn u for appointments then yes thats fair enough that they may get turned away by that doctor.But otherwise the doctor should not be allowed to choose his patients,that would be discriminative,and if he were to be selctive then it could be that he would end up with someting like a private practise.Like every job there is the rough and the smooth and the doctors have to appreciaite that they will get both.I have found lately that the doctors visits in this country are becoming sometimes very pointless,you are pushed from pillar to post,because they may not want to,or dont want to try to find out the problem.Often I will go to the pharmacy and ask there for something that they think is suitable for the ailment.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

I agree with you. I think, the doctors should not choose his patients on grounds which I have mentioned. It wiuld demean the professional ethics greatly.

Thanks.

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8. myLot reputation of 90/100. anaknitatay (584)   ranked 5,149 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

A doctor has a right to choose his patients, however, this will depend on the circumstance:

1. Once a doctor has accepted a case or a patient he cnnot leave the patient or
case until: the patient dies, the patient gets well or until the patient
dismisses him or gives his consent to be treated by another doctor

2. similarly a doctor cannot refuse an emergency case if he is capable of treating
this patient unles of course he himself will be in danger if he treats the
patient

Doctors have rights too but because of the nature of their profession and vocation there are some circumstances wherein doctors are obligated to render their services for the good of others.

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9. myLot reputation of 70/100. Piscesmoon (1064)   ranked 2,125 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

Mimpi, I think a doctor should be able to refuse service to a patient if they have any reason they don't want that person as a patient. As well as the reasons you have given, there may be a personality clash that prevents the doctor from being unbiased, the patient could possibly be someone the doctor knows socially and doesn't like or it could even be a patient that has a romantic fixation on the doctor that makes the doctor feel uncomfortable. In the latter case, if the doctor refused the patient's advances, the patient could then make untrue claims out of spite. They should not have to take on any patient that makes them feel uncomfortable in any way.


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

You have added some more points to this discussion. Yes romantic fixation could be difficult for the doctor to handle and so is the other case about the advance money thing.

Thanks for enriching this post.


myLot reputation of 70/100. Piscesmoon (1064)   ranked 2,125 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

Thank you, mimpi. What a lovely thing to say. happy

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10. myLot reputation of 98/100. anonymili (2503)   ranked 142 out of 25,718 in life   4 weeks ago

I think the doctor should only have the right to refuse to treat a patient if there is a fundamental reason for the doctor to not want contact with that patient again, e.g. if the patient has been abusive or violent or threatening to the doctor. I understand some people can be a bit abusive if they are unwell but I am talking about when patients violently demand a doctor's note and the doctor is fully aware that a doctor's note is not necessary or the patient is demanding drugs which they do not need. In the UK there are signs in surgeries saying that abusive or violent patients will be excluded from the surgery. And I do agree with it. Why should the doctors or nurses or reception staff have to put up with violence in their workplace? The rest of us are not expected to put up with it so why should medical staff? After all, they are supposed to be there to help, not take abuse.

On the other hand if a doctor does not like a patient because of their personality or religion or race, etc, that is not a feasible reason to not treat them!


myLot reputation of 97/100. mimpi1911 (5190)   ranked 283 out of 25,718 in life  4 weeks ago

anonymili
I agree with you totally. Here i India doctors are treated as Gods by most and therein the problem arises. We got to realize that they humans as we are. Nowadays the media and commoners are being too hard on them. I think its not wise to generalise for there do exist good doctors who still have their values in their right place.

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