Who Can Vote For Someone Who Thinks There Are 57 States!I

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All of these assertions about obama are complete myths or outright lies. I'm not an obama supporter because I don't like his experience level. But the lies are out of control.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

"how about the brilliant statement by his wife after his nomination "this is the first time we are proud to be americans""

That's not what she said, and you should be ashamed of spreading false information.

She was talking about seeing, for the first time in her adult life, a really massive outpouring of participation and support in the election process. If you would have listened to:

1. The actual words (giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were lied to, as opposed to knowing the real quote and lying about it intentionally)
2. The entire statement, not just the sound bite Fox News paraded around

You wouldn't have made such an embarassing mistake. Even Laura Bush came to Michelle's defense on this issue, yet here people like you still are, parading BS around as if it's the truth. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

"Not to mention he did attend an islamic radical school as a child"

Nonsense. There was no religious instruction at the overseas school he attended at ALL. Interviews with the people who run the actual school have shown that they welcome people of all faiths and there's nothing radical about it at all.

http://www.chicagotribune...

"still refuses to place his hand over his heart"

He has never REFUSED to do that--in fact, he's LED the Pledge of Allegiance several times as a Senator. Here's video of him doing exactly that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIyBwkuqF4E

"or be sworn in on the bible"

He WAS sworn in on the Bible, doofus. This is a matter of public record. Don't you fact-check any of the nonsense right-wingers feed you?

"I read an email of a statefarm sign that said "Americans voting for Obama is like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders" How funny is that? How much more truthful can you get?"

Uh, infinitely more. Obama's never killed any Americans, so how does that analogy make any sense whatsoever? Whoever came up with it has neither wit nor sense.

Thank you, ClarusVisum. You covered it all. Bravo.

Kinda like when McCain said he didn't appreciate being American till he was put in a POW camp. And is recently justifying our use of torture. So why did he appreciate being an American while being tortured again? Maybe somewhere in his mind he though "Thank God we have the dignity not to do such things to our POWs..."

Ok you say this..."Mexican tromping over the border for their food stamps, reduced houseing, jobs in abundance and now, thanks for Obama free health care for everyone" HELLO?? Why on Earth would they want to come here??? All of the US jobs are in Mexico because American business' get huge tax cuts from geeze let's see who likes tax cuts? OH yeah the REPUBLICANS, I forgot. Since you are from Michigan you may have heard of President Bush and President Fox (Mexico) coming to Toledo, Ohio in 2000 giving speeches about "opening up the US Mexico border" so that there would be more jobs on both sides of the line, so why are you and your leader now going against what he said in 2000 and closing up the border?

You should probably know best living in Michigan that since the unemployment rate and the foreclosure rate in YOUR state is the highest in the country, so exactly where are all these jobs you are afraid the illegals are going to steal???

As for your "Hmm, guests know they need to leave after awhile though!". the Native American's have been wondering that for years. And if you do not know they were here first way before the white man. Their unwanted guests that came and took their land, spread their white man diseases, and locked them away on reservations and have yet to leave.

So maybe before you spread your words of hate you should open up a history book or google American history, NONE of us (white man, Mexican, ect..) were here first, so it is NOT our place to say an immigrant is not welcome here because we are all immigrants!

Right now the Guest workers are not coming across the border in the numbers that they used to. Partly because our job market is slipping and partly because they are demanding more money for their menial labor. Yeah they want more than $16 an hour and free medical and whatever else they can get. That is another reason famers are growing corn and other crops that can be machine processed. No expensive labor!

I want to say that I am neither a democrat or a republican.I vote for whoever I think can get the job done.But,I do not think that it is democats that want the 'illegals' here.I live in Virginia in a suburb of Washington,DC and we have a very high foreclosure rate,unemployment rate and high rate of illegals here.Matter of fact where I live at has the highest forclosure rate in the whole country.This county was the first to start having laws to remove the illegals from here.If we were born in this country then we are not illegals and when our ancestors came here they were from other countries. I don't know what or even if they had imigration laws then,but whatever it was then they were welcomed here if it was done the proper and legal way.That is the same way it is here now.I do genealogical research and I know that most of my ancestors came from Ireland,some from England and Scotland.I do have ancestry of native americans as well and I should be proud to say that I was born in our nations capital,Washington,DC.But, because of the way's of crime is in that city Iam not.Because my ancestors are from other countries,that does not mean Iam a foreigner.But,even if I was and I came over here legally then that is fine.A few years ago our president,who is a republican was attempting to re-do our immigration process and give the illigals a break by letting them make payments on the fees they should have paid if they came in here legally and let them stay.Natural born americans and people that came over here and paid their dues and jumped threw the hoops,so to speak, that was required were upset about that which I totally understand.And Senator John Warner,a republican,was interviewed on the news and asked his opinion about the situation and he said,some people that are protesting this act like they are criminals! They should,excuse me,illegals,duh,criminals! About 5 years ago my husband was diagnosed with cancer and then he was unable to work and we were able to get temporary medicade while he applied for disability.During that time he was in and out of the hospital because we were told that medicade would not allow him to be in the hospital more than 5 days at a time.The next to the last time that he was hospitalized because his gall blatter failed.Because the liver cancer caused hepatitis c they would not do the surgeory to remove it but instead insterted a drain that was hanging out the side of his body.The five days were up,so they were going to sent him to where we were sleeping on a floor even he said that he did not feel ready to leave and sleep on a floor.Two days later it was infected and he went back to the hopspital where a lot of organs failed and in about 2 weeks he died.He too was a natural citizen of the USA.A few weeks ago there was a woman that was a director of a hospital in Florida that said there was an illegal person there for more than a year and that there was another illegal person there for longer then that and that our taxes pay for that.One of those people was sent back to his country to continue getting his medical care and that the family is filing suit against the USA which taxes are going to have to pay.If those people had not been here in the first place then this would not be happening.

When McCain's adviser said we've become a nation of whiners, I wonder if in his mind he included people who are blaming Mexicans just because they can't find a job. Instead of getting rid of the illegals, the next time we want to raise minimum wage, we lower income taxes instead. Think about this if minimum wage is $7.50 after taxes you keep about 2/3 on average so now you have $5.00 an hour. When the government raises min wage to $8.00 you get .50C more an hour right? no. 2/3 of 8 is 5.33 an hour. So you get a .33 cent raise and the government gets one to.

How large? @ 7.50 - 5.00= 2.50 the government gets every hour you work
@ 8.00 - 5.33= 2.67

Now multiply that .17 by the number of minimum wage workers, for ten they make 1.70, for a hundred they make 17.50 for a thousand 175.00.
For the 1.6 million said to be on it $286,110 an hour, an eight hour day? $2,228,880. A 40 hour week? 11 million. A 52 week year? 595 million. And this is just the amount of increase not the total number made off of minimum wagers. After raising minimum wage the government makes 595 million more a year, while an individual makes .33* 8* 7* 52= $960.96, which isn't so bad, except the strain on the company is the full .50 per employee... or .50* 8* 7* 52= $1,456/minimum wager

7.50* 66.667% (intake)= 5.00
7.50* X= 5.33? 5.33/ 7.50= 71.06 (intake) 100 - 71.06=~29%

So if you decreased income tax by 4% for minimum wagers, they would gain the same benefit if the government raised minimum wage by 7% (8.00* X= 7.50; X= .9375; 1 - X= .0725.) The employers would maintain the same pay rate for their employees, the employees would get the same benefit... however the government would be out a little bit (4% on min wage earners). However the government could easily add that 4% onto something else... like luxury items, or those who make over 200,000... (heck for those that make that much an hour could could probably raise it by 1% and still make more then the 4% on the min wagers)

Whoa, that was long, I shall have to put that in a blog now.

Instead, if the government peeled back the income tax a bit (from 33% to

Where if instead of raising the rate per hour and sucking that money out of these people and the companies they work for you could drop the income tax rate from 33% to about.

Without the 7% increase strain on companies, they may be less likely to outsource workers.

Government's all over the world are masters at accounting tricks. They give with one hand but take even more with the other. America's figures just look larger than everyone else because the US of A has the world's largest economy.

Here in tinny Singapore, the government plays the books brilliantly. We raise our sales tax by 2 percent and then cut corporate tax rates by 3 percent, claiming that its very necessary for the poor people to pay more than rich corporations, who have loopholes. Of course, after raising the sales tax, the guys who run the place promptly increased their salaries - our Prime Minister makes four times more than the President of the USA for running a country that is only a suburb of Washington DC.

So, what I'm saying is, don't put too much faith into figures provided by politicians because statistics can always be massaged and certain aspects of a budget can be highlighted to such an extent that you are distracted from doing any math into how this whole thing actually works out.

"Anybody who knows anything about the United States would know how many states there are."

For crying out loud, it was a slip of the tongue. Everyone has said the wrong number than the one they meant to at some point in their life.

Claiming that Obama REALLY doesn't know how many states there are because of this is just as stupid as claiming that McCain REALLY wants to bring back Prohibition, since he said "I will veto every single beer". Are you really that dumb?

No, I'm not at all dumb. I think there are some people, though, who are going to be disappointed when they make him president. We make slips of the tongue all the time, but I don't think we slip saying there are 57 states instead of 50 or even 47, if he meant they had one to go and his group wouldn't let him go to the other two. I would think he would have quickly said, "I meant 47, not 57", but he didn't.

You do realize that fifty-seven sounds a lot like fifty? It's relatively easy to make a small mistake like that, especially if you happen to be tired and garble the syllables. And the office of the President has far, far more than just knowing how many states there are. I'd rather see that he can handle foreign policy and issues with the economy well (which is debatable) than be safe in knowing that he knows something a second-grader would know.

No, fifty seven is two words, and fifty is one word. I would think that the office of the President, the man who will oversee the WHOLE US would at least know 'what a second grader would know'......that we have 50 states, not 57.

Annie explained it. He said, 57 and one to go. he was thinking 47. One more plus Alaska and Hawaii would be 50. it's not that difficult. And I'm not even an Obama supporter.

"57 states? can get over that, unless it were to become a habit."

Yeah, making the mistake over and over is a different story, of course. You know, like stating at least four different times that Iran (which is Shiite) was training Al Qaeda (a Sunni extremist group), including at least once AFTER being corrected on it?

Enter John McCain.

What seems to be really ironic here is that Obama gets a free pass with his "tongue slips" because he's operating on very little sleep and McCain is crucified for his! I guess John gets ALL 8 hours of his beauty sleep each night! Rubbish!

Tell me why Obama refuses to debate McCain in a town hall setting! I'll tell you why; without his teleprompter he will look like the village idiot!

Even when Iam not tired,which is rarely,I have plenty slips of the toungue and Iam not stupid.I am not the smartest cookie on the block,but...... People criticise Bush for have slips of the toungue as well as Obama.They are only human and never claimed to be otherwise.They are both tired people.When Obama asked how he was he said he was standing.And none of you with kids can not say that you have never called one the other's name.Heck when I was a kid,I even got called the dogs name.

"LMAO. That sounds like something George Bush would do. Are they related? They kind of look alike."

Oh yeah, Bush and Obama look exactly alike.:P

"I guess what people are saying about Obama not being able to speak without the teleprompter is true."

Don't guess. Ever. Look into things yourself. "Guessing" like this is what makes fraudulent smears effective. Please don't add to that problem.

"But somethings shouldn't be forgotten. 1+1=2 and 50 states are 2 things every American should know."

Obama does know. He meant "47" and said "57". That's not a big deal. If he said "149" or something like that, it would be different, but "forty" and "fifty" are two adjacent units of ten, with the same amount of letters, same amount of syllables, and have 3 out of 5 letters in common. To suggest that it's impossible that he simply said "or" instead of "if" by accident is just plain silly.

"Obama could have a plan to adopt 8 territories into the United States. Maybe he let the cat out of the bag and no his evil plan has been exposed."

Obama's not the one planning a permanent occupation of Iraq.

Maybe Iraq will be the 53 state. Doesn't the US set up military bases all over the world? It makes one wonder about the hidden agenda.

George Bush is black...? Now that's a revelation!

He meant to say 47. Do you really think he thinks there are 57? If so, I should point out to you that McCain really (no, really!) wants to veto every single beer. MCCAIN IS FOR BRINGING BACK PROHIBITION OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!

The idiot here isn't Obama. This post was satirical, and you obviously took the bait. Look at anniepa's posting history if you don't believe me.

Taskr36, I know you know this was really meant to be tongue-in-cheek, and it was also meant to put things into perspective a bit. Of course we all have slips of the tongue, trust me I'd never deny that, I've had my share of doozies...lol! You have to admit the things that McCain has "slipped" on haven't been reported nearly as much as those that Obama has had. If I were able to take a poll of every myLot member from the U.S. and everyone answered and answered HONESTLY I'd bet less than 10% ever heard about McCain claiming in Pittsburgh that he'd named the Steelers line-up when being interrogated as a POW while he'd said it was the Packers for years prior to that. The way that story was told there was no way it was a "slip of the tongue". I couldn't agree more about if you accidentally call your best friend by the wrong name doesn't mean you're old or foolish or whatever. My mom has called me by my aunt and her sister's name many times and long before she was "old". I've called my granddaughter by my daughter's name, my brother by my son-in-law's name and the list could go on and on. You know I'm pro-choice, right? Well, I've already said "pro-life" when I meant "pro-choice" and I didn't realize I'd said it until it was pointed out to me. THAT is the kind of "slip" Obama had when he said there are 57 states. At least some of McCain's "misspeaks" have been a bit more complex than that and they've been repeated too frequently in some cases to be just a slip of the tongue but nobody seems to care. You said, "Of course, you don't get that luxury when you're running for president." I have to add to that, "Unless you're John McCain".
Annie

You and I must not be getting our news from the same sources. I've seen every one of McCain's mistakes from the Germany/Russia mistake, to the Iraq/Afghanistan mistake. People like David Letterman and Jay Leno poke fun at McCain at every possible opportunity, but say nothing about Obama's mistakes. When asked about it they both claimed he just isn't making those mistakes so they don't have much to work with. Apparently they aren't seeing the news report Obama's mistakes either. I only hear about his mistakes here on mylot for the most part.

It isn't exactly the same, to be fair. Obama, like any other human being, has slips of the tongue. But take, for example, McCain making the incorrect statement that Iran was training Al Qaeda (Shiites training Sunni extremists? In what reality?). Now, this wasn't a statement he made once--he made it at least three or four times. Then Joe Lieberman corrected him in public with the ol' whisper in the ear.

Soon after, he made the same incorrect statement AGAIN.

You can't hand-wave something like that away. Either McCain was intentionally lying there, or he TRULY is ignorant of who's who in the Middle East.

oh man, my skin curls when I hear McCain preaching that he's the best thing this world has to offer because he served in Vietnam, what does that have to do with IRAN?? Are we that shallow that we believe someone is so obliged because they served--I know it looks that easy because there is no way Bush could of did it all himself, but McCain is already spitting the same game so I could see how he already has his people in place (aka Bush Administration)--come on people, McCain knows no more about the region than Obama. And do I need to remind you of the flub by Bush who got him on Saturday night live and late night tv almost immediate for his ability to give a meanful speech--I always felt his speeches were very cocky, in your face, dont question me--so was his administration.