Do you think the punishment system in the U.S. works?  |
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I'm fed up with hearing crime stories wherever I turn. I've read that the United States has the highest crime rate of any country in the world. How can this be? Don't we have the "mightiest" country in the world? Something is definitely wrong here. Crime is rampant. I've heard stories of drunk drivers killing innocent victims, and they had 4 or 5, sometimes more than 10, prior arrests for drunk driving!!! Why do they still have a driver's license??? Some convicted murderers get the death sentence or life in prison, while others get a sentence of 18 months (and this wasn't self-defense or manslaughter). How is this possible? Look at the penal systems for "white collar" criminals. They are veritable country clubs! Does this bother you? Does it make you angry? Any stories like this, or possible solutions, are welcome.
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1. Tianna2 (891) | 3 months ago | I personaly believe we dont punish the criminals enough any more. Our prisons are more like hotels, we dont use the death penalty near enough and our court system makes it harder every day to convict a known criminal then ever. Now they want to take away the peoples rights to defend themselves and people wonder why this is happening? If everyone knows that I'm not carring a weapon, shouldnt that make me more vulnerable? Sorry, you got me on one of my soapboxes! Cheers, Tianna
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | That's quite all right. I carry my soapbox with me wherever I go! LOL That's so true. If you shoot someone who breaks into your home with the intention of robbing you or harming you, you have committed a crime yourself and can get prison time! They tell us also that if we are robbed, just hand the criminal whatever they want. What that says to me is, "Okay criminals, we're opening all the doors for you so you can get anything you want and not worry about physical harm." It's insane!
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2. SusanLee (853) | 3 months ago | Does it bother me? Does it make me angry? What it does is make me sick. I read a story the other day on CNN about this man that was locked up for sexual crimes. His wife brought his daughter to visit him. In the visitor'r room he molested his own child. He was seen by other inmates and they reported him. You know who these criminals remind me of? That bunch of sickos in the bible about Sodom and Gomorrah, even after they were struck blind they were so determind to have those two men (angels) that they kept fumblilng at the door in spite of being struck blind. I can't even begin to know what goes through the minds of these people. I think they have been turned over to a reprobate mind or something. It's a shame that these people (and I use the word loosely) have more rights then their victims. There is definitely something wrong with our judicial systom.
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | I agree with you 100%. I know that quite a few police officers and prison guards can be bribed by prisoners, or would-be prisoners. I know this because I lived next door to a prison guard and she told me about what happens between the prisoners and some of the guards sometimes. It made her sick as well! It seems that our government cares more for it's convicts and immigrants than it does about it's own "born in America" folks. This isn't criminal, officially, but it certainly should be: The immigrants who come to this country can get low-interest loans to start up their own businesses or franchises. They pay no taxes for seven years, at which time they are supposed to pay taxes. BUT, after seven years, they "sell" their business to a relative, who also gets that 'seven years no taxes' offer. They keep this up and never pay taxes! (I also heard this first-hand.) Our government is so screwed up, I doubt it will ever get fixed. I've often wondered if I shouldn't just commit a big enough crime to get put into prison so I could have all those rights that they have!
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3. peaceful (1832) | 3 months ago | My only answer is that I have accepted the fact that crime iteslf has become an institutionalised industry in the USA... where there is money to be made, and careers to be built and so on and so on, the victims and the perpetrators are simply the "grist " that help the factory wheels keep on turning. The moment that I realized this fact some 25 years ago, this stuff no longer bothered me so much... I was in Law Enforcement at the time. What a joke of a job choice that was. There were more crooks in uniform and suits than people realize. Sorry that I can't make you feel better about this, but this is really a good discussion for everyone who lives anywhere on the Planet... Here's Red Ice Creations for your educational enjoyment. Keep up the good work!:) http://www.redicecreations.com
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | I know all about "crooks" in police uniforms! I was raped by a police detective when I was 21 years old! At the time, if I had reported this crime, they would have treated me like I had ASKED for it, thereby being my fault in the first place! I have a cousin who used to be a police officer (retired). She committed every moving violation there is in the book, and she did this when she was NOT on duty! She'd tell me all kinds of stories, including flooring the gas pedal in her new car to see how fast it would actually go, knowing that, if the police stopped her, they'd let her go because she was 'one of their own.' I was driving one time on a 35 mph road. A police cruiser flew past me going at least 60. I caught up with him at the next red light! He floored it again once the light turned green and, once again, I caught up with him at the next red light. He was breaking the law. He obviously had no reason to be speeding since he stopped at each red light. I was angry enough to get his car number, go to the district station and report him. Of course, after that I watched myself very carefully because I had a feeling that they would now be looking for any excuse to give me a ticket. I know it did no good... none at all. Unless it's murder, the police all stick together and cover each other's, umm... derrieres. Thanks for the link. I'll check it out as soon as I post this.
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | Awesome link! I just read one on voting facts. I knew most of them already which is why I never vote anymore. It's just a waste of my time. (Also, I'm not going to vote for the 'lesser of two evils'!)
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4. enfieldian (170) | 3 months ago | Hi there The US is not the only country with this problem. Here in the UK we have judges who pass what are pathetic sentences for some crimes. Drunk drivers who kill or maim other drivers, pedestrians or cause considerable damage get put away for next to nothing sentences. If they kill someone then it should be treated the same as murder and be put away for life. I know in the States you have a problem with gun crime, here in the UK it is knife crime. A week has not gone past of late when there has been at least one or two murders through this vicious method. One of the areas which make up Enfield where I live is second highest in the list for the number of murders with a knife. We are getting like the States with the gang culture. Here it is not built around ethinicity to the greatest degree but around what area you come from. The government rushes through measures which backfire immediately. There are even problems within the schools over this kind of crime. One major gun incident came when a child was caught with a Kalashnikov rifle in his bag. Our prisons like yours are overcrowded and in some cases 'the country club' scenario. I am sorry to say that unless there is a firm stance on either side of the pond and across Europe then matters will only get worse. Best wishes Steve
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | Very good comment! I totally agree with you. I wish there was something we could do. If you know of anything, let me know, okay?
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5. Adoniah (1769) | 3 months ago | I believe that when someone is locked up for a serious crime, they should work at some kind of hard labour from sunup to sun down. That way they are so tired by bedtime that they cannot cause any trouble in the prison! I also believe it should be something constructive that would help support the prison such as gardening or making their own clothes etc. If there is someway that they can make something and sell it on the open market without competing with a local market and hurting the local economy, they should do that too and the money should go toward their victims. I believe they should enter prison with no privileges and that they should have to earn each one that they do get. If they break a rule they should loose all privileges and have to start over. The first privilege the should receive is an opportunity at further education, so that when they do get out they stand a better chance of staying out. People that commit "white collar crimes" should be punished too. Some of the crimes they commit hurt people as bad or worse than other criminals. They literally take away a persons "life" when they steal their life savings even if it is through internet crime etc. Shalom~Adoniah
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | I've often thought the same thing about prisoners. What happened to the old "chain gangs"? I believe the trouble there is seen in the movie, "Cool Hand Luke". Contractors have to "bribe" the prison wardens in order to be able to get a contract instead of the prison. Your idea of earning privileges is excellent, also. I did that with my own kids! Why can't officials do that with the prisoners??? I just don't know. I get so angry and feel so frustrated and defenseless at the same time.
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6. blkmage1214 (133) | 3 months ago | I say they should make their sentances mush harsher.But I think THey are'nt scared of getting in prison When their doing the crime But then when their in their they wish they had never thought of doing it.
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | I used to live in an area where going to prison was no big deal! I'd hear people talking about just getting out of prison like they were talking about just coming back from a vacation! It was nothing more than a change of address for them.
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | Oh, I agree with you 1000%!!! Child abusers have to be the WORST criminals out there! They should NEVER get out of prison or, like you say, get the death penalty. Abused children will have a lifetime of problems unless they get a LOT of therapy, which THEY end up paying for, or their parent(s) if they get help right away. The abusers should be made to pay for it. Child abusers have "murdered" the child's innocence. In that respect, yes, they should get the death penalty, but only after they have turned over any and all of their assets to the victim. If punishments in this country were harsher, there would be less crime. Criminals know that their punishment will almost surely NOT be as hideous as their crimes. Even the death penalty is "kind". They should die according to their crime. "An eye for an eye." Child abusers should be raped, to death (be it from a machine or a HUGE, totally warped human); murderers should be put to death exactly the way they committed the murder, i.e. gun, knife, poison, etc. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm sure I'm not the only one!
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dumblnddzzy (8826) | 3 months ago | I don't think you are overreacting one bit!! I agree with you all the way on everything you have said. There has to be more that think like us out ther. We need to band together & change the laws!!Lori
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8. cbreeze (689) | 3 months ago | I think it only serves as a deterrant for those who wouldn't commit a crime anyway. There is nothing more dangerous than a person who has nothing to lose. There is nothing he values and nothing he is afraid of. Someone sent me an article about a prison in Arizona that was pretty interesting. For the most part, the way that prison is run would be a big deterrant for those committing petty crimes. They really don't play. They brought back the chain gang. They don't have airconditioned buildings, they have tents outdoors, they are made to wear pink prison garb, they only get baloney for all meals. When they complain about the heat, they are reminded that we have soldiers in Iraq who are in hotter tempuratures than they are and have to wear full military garb and carry equipment. No sympathy. They do not have work out facilities and libraries and choices in cable stations. They do have cable because its mandated by the govt. but it only gets one channe.
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | That sounds like an excellent prison! I would really love to hear that the same things are popping up all over the country! Many (honest, law-abiding) people in this country cannot afford cable. Why should the prisoners get it? I think that the government should mandate that the cable channel should be an educational or religious channel. The federal government, as well as the individual State governments, own enough land to build this type of prison in every State. I hope they wise up and take a look at this one in Arizona! Great information! Thanks so much for sharing it!
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9. shana123 (1886) | 3 months ago | You have discussed something which is really needed in these days, im an indian and i dont know much about U.S punishment system but to be frank i dont like the Indian law which sometimes takes too long to punish the criminal,even when the proof is clear cut ( this happens for 5/100 )
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mentalward (1777) | 3 months ago | It looks like criminal laws need to be corrected and enforced with more efficiency everywhere in the world. In the U.S., if a man admits to a crime and shows proof, he is still given a trial because he must be "proven" innocent or guilty. The process is insane and just eats up our tax dollars. I do not understand what is happening in the world today. I truly hope it gets better soon, but in my heart I do not see that happening.
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| onetrackmind (89) | 3 months ago | Do you think the punishment system in the U.S. works? NO! I'm fed up with hearing crime stories wherever I turn. I've read that the United States has the highest crime rate of any country in the world. How can this be? because as a society we just don't care about human life. Don't we have the "mightiest" country in the world? Supposedly Something is definitely wrong here. Crime is rampant. I've heard stories of drunk drivers killing innocent victims, and they had 4 or 5, sometimes more than 10, prior arrests for drunk driving!!! Why do they still have a driver's license??? Because their lawyers know how to get them off and simply on probation without serving jail time. Some convicted murderers get the death sentence or life in prison, while others get a sentence of 18 months (and this wasn't self-defense or manslaughter). How is this possible? Why are you found guilty at the end of the trial and have to come back a month or two later to get your 'sentance'? Didn't work like that in the Old West. Found guilty on Friday, hung at sunrise Saturday morning! Look at the penal systems for "white collar" criminals. They are veritable country clubs! Does this bother you? YES! Does it make you angry? YES! Whether you embezelled, laundried money, did tax evasion or axe murdered your favorite mother-in-law - all should serve in the same type place. I will say that yes, there are those that are sorry for what they did and they are serving their sentance...others just don't give a damn, because they know that there is nothing on the outside for them. In jail, they just have to worry if they are sleeping with Bubba or Louis! Any stories like this, or possible solutions, are welcome.
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10. _sketch_ (599) | 3 months ago | I think that the system we have is aweful. It puts u into a category that u dont always get to choose and you cant ever get out of it. If you steal, they fine u and put u in jail. When u get out, you have no job and you are in serious debt, not to mention the fact that all employers and landlords get to see ur record, so you have no money, owe tons of money, have no legal way of getting money and no place to live. So what do u do now? You steal again. They throw u in the lions den. It's barbarious. We need to help these people change their ways. Instead, we create criminals, punish them and give them no other option, but to continue to do these things.
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