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myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life4 months ago

This morning we had our gas heating boiler serviced. The boiler is quite elderly now and really ought to be updated to something that is more efficient. However, the gas salesman when he came told us that it was unreliable, no longer the best make and might be dangerous. The gas engineer that came to service the boiler said that these were some of the best and most reliable boilers and that it was good for another five years. It was perfectly safe and whilst a new one might be nice, he saw no reason to rush to change. Who do I believe? Which way would you go? The salesman or the engineer? Both work for the same company.

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 90/100. dagda24 (330)   ranked 6,632 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

I'd be inclined to believe the engineers as he will have more experience with the machines and how they work. The salesman probably does not have much technical knowledge about the boiler. He is also probably paid according to the number of sales he makes, so will say pretty much anything to get you to spend your money with them.

If the engineer says the boiler is safe then it's most likely safe.


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

That is my inclination Dagda. I would trust the engineer every time. Thank you.

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2. myLot reputation of 91/100. ellie333 (5738)   ranked 624 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

Hi P1kef1sh, I would most certainly go with the engineers advice, he is the one who works with them all the time and knows whether they are safe or not, it is his career on the line if he says something is safe and it is not. The salesmana is probably on commission and needs to meet a sales target so has given you the talk to encourage you to upgrade to a nwer model. Thats my opinion any way but I am not a salesman or an engineer so an unbiased one I guess even though not qualified LOL. Ellie:D


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

I absolutely agree with you Ellie. The engineer seemed to really know his stuff and more importantly. I liked him. He seemed very straight and honest.

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. Goodie123 (7319)   ranked 846 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

I would be inclined to believe the engineer.
The salesman is wanting you to purchase a new one to top up his monthly sales.
The engineer is actually a qualified trades person.
He has been educated to know the ins and outs of boilers.
So trust the engineer, once the old boiler has been serviced it will run like a dream.


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

Who are you calling an old boiler?!! LOL. I agree Goodie. The engineer seemed entirely trustworthy. The salesman would say anything I suspect to get his hands on my money.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Goodie123 (7319)   ranked 846 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

I was going to say, it was rude of the salesman to say you needed replacing. LOL


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

He'd get a punch on the nose. LOL. Very few people could get away with that. You would though. Trouble is you know it!


myLot reputation of 93/100. Goodie123 (7319)   ranked 846 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

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4. myLot reputation of 80/100. guybrush (2246)   ranked 2,142 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

Well - the salesman probably wants to make a sale - but the engineer would know his old boilers! It's a bit of a hard one. If a new one would be more efficient, it might save you money in the long run and do a better job heating the place - on the other hand, if it ain't broke, why fix it! (Ask the missus ...)


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

The Boss, as I call her, would say go with the engineer too Guy. I'm inclined that way too. He seemed very trustworthy.

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. nannacroc (1852)   ranked 4,372 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

I would be inclined to believe the engineer. The salesman obviously makes more money if he makes a sale, it probably makes little difference to the engineer. Who had the best qualifications for judging if the boiler needed replacing? I don't think it would have been the salesman.


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

I think so too Nanna. The engineer seemed very on the ball and matter of fact. The salesman was, well, a salesman!

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. ElicBxn (9134)   ranked 2,521 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

Go with the engineer - he's not trying to get a commission outta a sale!


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

That's what I think too. Thank you.

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7. myLot reputation of 97/100. pumpkinjam (2624)   ranked 828 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

I would probably believe the engineer for the following reasons:1. Engineers are better trained in their art than salesmen
2. The engineer is far more likely than a salesman to know whether or not a gas boiler is safe or not.
3. The engineer will get paid either way, the salesman will get commission if he sells you a new boiler.
4. Never believe a salesman.


myLot reputation of 97/100. pumpkinjam (2624)   ranked 828 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

I just might add though that the salesman is correct in that a new boiler may be more efficient although, having studied this sort of thing myself, the older boilers are not necessarily as inefficient as some newer models. If, however, you do want a new one, may I suggest that you go to the Potterton website. They are the best ones, whatever their age.


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

That's very helpful thank you Pumpkin. I have heard that Potterton make good boilers. Right now I shall hang on to this one. I have enough claims on my cash!!

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8. myLot reputation of 95/100. mands61123 (744)   ranked 1,086 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

engineer i work with salesman and mechanics so i'm a pretty good judge for this one. Realistically your boiler may not be as efficient as some of those on the market now but it's likely to last about another 3 years. Salesmen are meant to sell you everything they possibly can with the focus likely being on efficiency and engineers are supposed to maintain it for as long as they possibly can. Each will focus on their own department and targets etc. So i would realistically go in the middle as i stated above. If you still feel unsure and a bit bothered by the uncertainty you are completely entitled to ring the company and ask for a second opinion. If they become difficult explain the situation and that it isn't a wise idea to be giving customers contradicting advice it make them look unprofessional.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mands61123 (744)   ranked 1,086 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

ps. just reading some of the comments and i have to stick up for salesmen here the majority of industries are very strict about saftey, training, product knowledge, recalls (common faults) etc although the salesman may not actually be able to fix the boiler he is likely to be just as well trained as the engineer. Of course it all depends on the company but the increasing use of standard testing and mystery shops by most companyies weed out the people that have little idea or inclination. Just wanted to stick up for them as it's a bit of a common misconception that salesmen only have to be able to sell and nothing else.


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

I have no doubt that you are quite right Mands. Salesmen have to know their products and I am quite sure that this chap does. In a sense though, the engineer told me wanted to hear. It's easier in that case to go with him for now. Thank you or your advice and help.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mands61123 (744)   ranked 1,086 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

ha ha ha i can't say i blame you i know how it can be i probably won't be changing mine until it dies either unless i come into some money unexpectedly

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9. myLot reputation of 97/100. Irishfrndly65 (3481)   ranked 235 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

Uhh, the engineer of course. What a load of cr*p. If it wouldn't get the engineer in trouble I would confront that wiley salesman! lol


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

I agree Dahlin' Sis Irish. The engineer seemed much the better salesman actually! I felt there was an honesty there.

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10. myLot reputation of 91/100. Rosekitty (3415)   ranked 822 out of 29,399 in life   4 months ago

Hiya P1ke..well as you already know thats why they call him a salesman..everything that comes out of their mouth is usually to make a great sale for the company not to help you, so i would believe/trust the engineer and hang on for a bit longer..unless you have the money to burn..then come to Texas and waste it here..lol..
huggs


myLot reputation of 96/100. p1kef1sh (3605)   ranked 443 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

Agreed. If i had money to burn I'd be there like a shot. The thought of days helping Rosie in the shop (unpaid of course), making her lunches and then long evenings watching the sun go and the stars twinkle thrills me to my core. X


myLot reputation of 91/100. Rosekitty (3415)   ranked 822 out of 29,399 in life  4 months ago

Awww the ever romantic..why wasn't there two of you??..Do you think you could sneak out for just a bit and tell Mrs. P1ke you would be right back..hee hee

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