it was an accident but very sad

i do agree with you bunzor, he is too young to have a small pet in the house, i did mention this when she got the kitten but she insisted that the kitten would be fine, kids don't know their own strength sometimes, i know it wasn't his fault but he was told to be gentle with the kitten, his mother is beside herself and i just don't know what to do, maybe i should just leave her to it until she feels better....thankyou....

i think she should wait until her son is a little bit older before she gets him another pet, he is quite rough with animals, he hurt the kitten once before when he trapped her behind a folded up ironing board and hurt her leg, luckily she was not hurt that bad but she let out a yelp, but this time she wasn't so lucky, if her front door is open, the wind comes through her livingroom into the kitchen which enables the back door to slam hard, the kitten was on her way in when this happened, so i think that she should wait until her little boy is older before getting him another one, he is boysterous and doesn't know what he is doing half the time, he's too young for pets just yet, but she insisted that she get him a kitten anyway....it's just so sad that the kitten didn't stand a chance of surviving, she died instantly.....

yes you could be right....

thanks P1ke, i think she should wait till her little boy is alot older before she gets another kitten or pet, he is heavy handed and has hurt the kitten before, he's only 2, so he doesn't understand, i just feel so sad because the kitten was a little sweetie, at least she didn't suffer, she died instantly, but it was really sad to hear this, when her boy understands animals better, i think she should get him another one, but not just now, he's too young....thanks.....

i think they should wait till her son is alot older before getting him a cat that small, he has hurt this kitten before by chasing her behind a folded up ironing board, then he caught her by her leg until she squealed, he is a rough kid, so i think small animals could be in danger of him, he's a good kid but he just doesn't understand how to treat them yet, he thinks he's playing, but he's not really, he's hurting them, it was a sad thing that this happened though, i feel the same way when i think about my max, someone hurt him a few months ago and i am still waiting to hear from the courts about this because the lad did this on purpose and broke his back leg and dislocated his tail by lurching him into a brick wall, little Torrez was so sweet, she died instantly so she didn't suffer, i did warn my step daughter about getting a pet so small for her son, but like aways, she never listened, if she wants something, then she wants it NOW, if she got another pet, then the same thing COULD happen again, so i will have a chat with her later on and try and talk to her boy too....i feel sad typing this....i hope she teaches him how to be with small animals in the future because i would hate to think that he thinks it's ok to hurt them....

I think it's obvious that the lad only did it by accident, it wouldn't even enter a two-year-old's head to slam a door on an animal.

My one-year-old cousin's very gentle with my mam's dog, but he wasn't at first. He's had it drummed into him constantly that he shouldn't grab her fur or hit her.

We taught him by showing him how to stroke her and now he just hugs her and strokes her face until she licks his nose

when she first got the kitten i sat with the boy on my knee and had him hold the kitten and stroke her gently but he grabbed her a few times and flung her, he just didn't understand that they hurt, so this may be a lesson for my step daughter not to get young animals until her son fully understands that they are not there to be flung about, i hope she listens to me the next time...

Yeah. He'll start to understand better really quickly though, as long as he's around animals often and taught every time how to treat them

yes ellie, i call her my step daughter because i have watched her grow since she was 9, she's almost 21 now and i treat all of his kids like my own, i cannot remember what pic i posted for you though, can you remind me of that...LOL...yes i think they should wait a little while until they get him another pet, he's way too young, he doesn't know what he is doing, i think he thinks that they are his tiys and handles them roughly, he's far too young to understand about death too, so it's best if they waited till he appreciates animals, i did tell her NOT to get him a kitten but she wanted it right there and then, she won't wait for anything, so maybe this has made her think more about pets and her child from now on, it is sad though...

Hi Tattylashes, yes if you have been part of her life for that long I can understand why you call her your step-daughter. Like every woman does not want it today or tomorrow, yesterday is soon enough so I can understand why she did get the kitten bless.

The pic I was talking about was the one of your house showing the bathroom where Gary lived too in my strange happenings discussion. It was there but since you changed your avatar it seemes to have disappeared from the discussion, even more strange happenings eh!

Ellie:D

aaaah ok i will post it again for you...the pic of gary's bathroom....if you look at the top left room, that was garys living room, the one in the middle was his bathroom where he passed away, in fact, he was found by the window because the tiolet systern was one of them old ones that are up high, there was nowhere else he could have done it apart from that area, if his curtains had have been open at that time, then we would have seen him, but we did notice that something was pressing against the curtain at that time, it was him...the other end is another flat where my friend george lives, look to the bottom left and you'll see my flat, it's the one with the steps going into the garden, the flat on the bottom right is Tonys place...lol..yes he lives that close to me...lol...

Thing was it posted and was in discussion then disappeared. I live 4 doors away from my ex partner even though we are extremely good friends, unlike you I just couldn't get on and still don't with his son as he is a single parent of a four year old the same as me, shame but I couldn't continue the relationship feeling the way I did about his boy. Ellie:D

i am the same with my partners son, he is 35 going on 3, he won't do anything for himself, he whines all day about being broke but doesn't do anything about it, but he relies on everyone else to bail him out if he is in debt, i refuse to help him because i have given him money to pay his bills and he has never once offered to pay me back, so when he comes here banging on how skint he is, i just ignore him, i don't get on with him and never had but if he coes to see his dad, i tell them both to go next door so i don't have to sit and listen to his wailing, he's laxy, just like his father, but at least his dad goes out and earns a living, you'd think at 35 that the lad would have a brain and get off his bum and get some work...he's a waste of skin....

oops my mistake...top RIGHT is garys living room, the middle was his bathroom....the top left is georges flat

As grown ups, allegedy, ( he obviously the age of one but acts like a child) it is easier, I think I could have coped if he saw him every other weekend like most dads do but 24/7, I love all children but for some reason couldn't take to this one, he is sly, he lies, he is destructive and there is just something about him I really don't like and I said to my boyfriend that if I was with someone who didn't like my children as they were part of the package I wouldn't be with them and he said it will be ok as they get older but I said you don't get it, I can't see a future, they are four, I don't like him. It wouldn't have been fair to subject my son to this vicious little boy as my son is a delicate soul or to the child himself as I had tried so hard to like him so I walked away for the childrens sake really. I am pleased to hear that you don't give into Tony's son and give him money etc. though. Ellie:D

well there's a big age gap between my partners son and your ex's son, but if you couldn't take to him then that's fine, it's just something you couldn't deal with, my partners son is in his 30's and i was just tired of hearing him droning on every day about being broke, my brother offered him a great job that paid good money and he whined about that because it was outdoors, so he lost out, i have given up on him now, i just don't have the time or energy for him any more, he really gets on my wick, each time he comes here i get that belly pain coz i know he's gonna start whinging again and i am just sick of it, his voice goes through me, he use to come here and put on the TV, watch cookery shows all day with his feet on my furniture, so i nipped that right in the bud, he only did it twice, i told him that just because his dad stayed here that he was not gonna be using my home as a drop in center for the thick and lazy, so that worked..lol...now if he comes to see his dad (because he doesn't come here to see me) that he's to go next door and moan there, he knows i won't take any of his nonsense, so all is good here...he knows where he stands and i will never help him again because all he wants is money to buy drugs and booze and i am not gonna be his supplier....no way....

hi munch, yes your right, i still think she should not have got him that kitten, he was only 2 in march, WAY TOO YOUNG...she wouldn't listen though, she wanted it and wanted it NOW....this may be a valuable lesson for her the next time round, she already has a chihuahuahua which is tiny but the dog runs for cover when she sees the child come near her, he does hurt her, so she gets out of the way fast, he doesn't understand what he's doing but i think it's time for his mother (my stepdaughter) to start explaining things to him now that he is growing....i feel for them both but it was a bad idea getting that kitten, i did predict that she could get hurt or even killed, but she wouldn't listen....i think she should wait till he's old enough to understand, right now he doesn't know anything apart from chasing animals all over the place, so she should wait and think about what type of pet she can get him instead of jumping in with both feet first...i saw this happening a while back but like i said, she wouldn't listen....

Well when you want something a lot it can be hard to listen to the downsides of it and easier to focus on the positive of getting it! I'm sure she will have learnt her lesson from it, it's difficult as children see anilmals as toys when they are young, perhaps if she starts explaining to him now about how to behave around little animals then in a couple of years time he will be able to cope with another kitten in the house without causing any damage. It sounds as though she already has a few animals in the house to worry about what with the dog and the chiauhaha! (can't spell that word at all!! - sorry!) She'll hopefully start to feel better about it given time, although it was a very tragic accident. xxx

yeah that's true...given time her boy will understnd that ets are not toys and maybe she will explain to him that they hurt easily, she only has one dog which is a chiuhahuahua, but she runs for cover when he goes near her....

Your spelling is better than mine! I was getting confused between the breed of dog that I can't spell - lol - and a chinchilla! it'll all be ok in time, they just need chance to get over this ans explain the way of the world to the little one, he will learn to be gentle in time i am sure! xx

i have spoken to her today and she is ok, but still a little bit upset, she has buried her kitten in her garden, i still think that her son is too young to handle pets at this time, maybe she will explain that they are not toys and need to be handled gently....

he didn't know what he was doing, he has a habit of slamming doors, it was just unfortunate that the kitten followed him into the house, accidents happen, but i think she should think twice about getting another kitten until he's much older

no i would never tell him that he was bad by doing this, he didn't know, he thinks that the kitten has run away, that's what his mother told him, she is feeling a bit better today but i can tell that she is upset by this, i just hope that she thinks again when it comes to getting pets for a child so young, he doesn't understand how to handle animals at that age, i am sure his mother will get over it in time and learn that kittens that small are not good to keep wround shildren so young...

yes, he didn;t understand what he did, infact he thinks the kitten ran off, and that's why she isn't there any more, accidents do happen unfortunately, i hope his mum thinks twice about getting another kitten until the boy is much older...