I might just have a reason to vote Republican now!

Yup, this was the kind of choice a lot of us have been hoping for.

Maybe you need to get information about women's rights from somewhere other than NOW.

If you think Sarah Palin is a "Newby" to politics, learn more about her.

But I agree, wise pick!

She's anti-choice for everyone, not just herself -- to me, that's not in support of women's reproductive rights. That's a selling point for some people, I know, but it's not, for me. She is a newbie -- she's only been in politics for 16 years in a small state and only governor for 2. That doesn't strike me as someone hugely experienced.

I've got the same info as everyone else, but we seem to be looking at it from different sides. Good luck and thanks for your opinion!

Does Obama have 16 years of expierence? Nope.

Well so many pro-abortion people fail to realize that pro-choice people don't see abortion as a women's rights issue. To people opposed to abortion, it's a HUMAN rights issue. They care about the child's right to live. Now you are free to feel that a woman's right to kill an unborn child is more important, but in a country that's split almost 50/50 on the issue, you should educate yourself enough to understand why people, including many women, oppose abortion.

As for the experience issue, she's running for vice president. That means she is almost an understudy allowing her to learn from his experience as she herself gets experience that could prepare her to be a future president. She's still got more experience than Dan Quayle did in 1988, and certainly has more than Obama right now. Plus she has executive experience. Obama has nothing even remotely resembling that.

Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. I would never choose abortion for myself, but I think leaving the choice up to the woman is a right that's needed. I completely understand the pro-life stance, and it's my right to choose pro-choice. No sense in getting into that argument, since you obviously have very strong opinions on it.

So then, should I have the right to kill someone, anyone, including a living child because I deem them unnessesary or a burden to me? Whether or not you believe that killing that someone to be wrong not being the issue, should it be my right to decide that?

I don't see this as a productive discussion and in any way related to the original discussion, so I'm going to be moving on. If you'd like to discuss women's rights and abortion, a dedicated thread would be a better option. I don't see fit to hammer my beliefs in and break them off at the ground.

Good luck and happy posting!

fluff, I wasn't hammering them, just trying to understand them, I wasn't being snide, I was just tying to follow through with it, honestly and I meant no disrespect towards them, again, just trying to understand them. but your right, this isn't the thread for this so I apologize for furthering the digression.

"She's anti-choice for everyone, not just herself -- to me, that's not in support of women's reproductive rights."

So when you say "women's rights" you are only talking about abortion?

"That's a selling point for some people, I know, but it's not, for me. She is a newbie -- she's only been in politics for 16 years in a small state and only governor for 2. That doesn't strike me as someone hugely experienced."

16 years is insufficient experience to be a VP, but Obama has enough experience to be president?

At least be consistent here.

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Fair enough.

Which third party? I suppose it would be either Nader or Cynthia McKinney. Those are the only ones I can think of that aren't against abortion.

Still researching the 3rd parties.

well, she has been touted as a gun toting hocky playing tough gal. my ex girlfriend (who is from ontario) would say that makes her Canadian, lol.

I would like to think that Alaskans have a greater affinity to Canadians than they do to Americans generally.

But I will NOT say anything against her loyalty to the US. This should if I'm not mistaken, alay fears about WHO would sit in the big chair if McCain were to suddenly kick.

Palin may not be the attack dog that many wanted, but she ain't no push over either.

Wow. I'm still stunned at that choice.

Fortunately McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't need an attack dog. He's fully capable of fighting and standing up for himself. Obama needed an attack dog because he's too weak to speak for himself even when a member of his own party wants to cut his nuts off. Palin was the perfect choice and one day may become a great president after McCain.

Taskr: When did Sen. McCain ever stand up for himself? There are many bills and laws with his name and a democrat, but not a single one of them was championing a Republican issue.

I will say this though, I've been waiting for this nomination for awhile now. McCain says that he will nominate strict constructionist Supreme Court Justices. If he had of picked a moderate or left leaning VP, I wouldn't have voted for him. This choice at least gives me reason to believe he would live up to that promise.

The experience comparison is valid. But don't forget that this week the dems, especially Obama tried to paint McCain as some old guy stuck with old ideas and old ways of doing things. This VP is a nice counter to that criticism.

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I don't think experience is nearly as big an issue with a vice president. The most important experience will be what they gain serving in their new position. She still has experience running a state, which Obama has not, and she's been involved in politics longer than Obama. Her youth and fresh face will do much to remove the "more of the same" claims.

Yes, the "experience" order has already been issued by the Democrat powers that be. However, it's a dead accusation for them. She has far more experience that Obama and the DNC have put him up for President not VP.

If that is the best they can come up with, I pity them.

I would rather have someone with the actual experience of running both a town and a state than a person who has written a coouple of books and only been a ONE term Senator; plus, she will be getting more experience as a Vice President before she is in any position to become President.

She has a lot more experience than Obama.

It was a local Dayton band, don't know their name.

I too am a strong Hillary supporter. They say 3 in 10 Hillary supporters refuse to vote for Obama, me being one of them. I also believe that Obama screwed up bad by not choosing Hillary or even considering her, and feel he did it for selfish reasons. I considered not voting, or voting independent just because. However, now that McCain is running with a female who seems to have a family sense, I am going to seriously consider McCain.

I personally believe that this was exactly why Obama waited till the last minute to chose Biden. I think he disliked Hillary, and didn't want to work with her. He waited to see if McCain would choose a female running mate which would then force him to choose Hillary. He then ran out of time and chose the person he wanted allowing McCain to choose who he'd wanted without giving Obama the chance to compensate with Hillary. It was brilliant strategy on McCain's part and a failed decision for Obama. Obama not only lost supporters, but failed to create a ticket that was likely to be unbeatable.

You may be right Taskr. I am sure he was hoping to know who McCain would choose so that he could have the 1 up on him. I think McCain definitely got the 1 up this time. It was risky of McCain to choose Palin but there are enough of us pissed off democrats who believe Hillary was shafted and treated unfairly both by the media and by the democratic party that now reviwing the McCain/Palin ticket is something many of us are doing. I was in Sams Club and a few other places yesterday and the buzz in may conversations was McCain/Palin. Didnt hear a single person talking about Obama's speech. I think Obama made a bad, bad move with Biden as his choice. Career politician devalues Obama's montra of Change. how does that change anything and provide a new kind of politics.

True, when was the last time we heard of a governor fighting against a pork project in their state?

On the other hand Obama has done everything he can to encourage that in his own state.