Sick and tired of all the complaining Non smokers...

Pagan and Smoker and Proud

Lol hell yeah. Though my girlfriend hates it. She is allergic to cig smoke, and has this weird hatred for smoking lol. I tried quiting for her, and hell the patch worked, but well why quit when we arnt physically together yet? She cant seem to get that thru her head lol. So I try not to smoke when im on the phone with her, or if I do I mute it when I light the cig, though gotta be careful since I smoke outside lol.

My best friend hates that i smoke, and i smoke outside everywhere but my apartment. When i am hanging out with her I try to smoke as little as possible out of respect for her. I am surrounded by smokers almost all the time, and whats funny is that at my parents house there are five smokers, six when i am there, and we all smoke outside. It started out when my niece was born, everyone went outside so the smoke wouldn't bother her, and six years later they still do it, but now its because my mom doesn't want her walls stained from the smoke.

I don't want anybody smoking inside my house either but I have no issue with anybody smoking outside it in my presence. I would never tell a friend who smoked that they could not smoke near me, although most of my friends would NOT smoke in front of me purposely out of respect for me being a non smoker and having a little girl. Smoke does tend to get in your clothing and stain walls and other things over time, and it can really be bad for someone who has immune system issues or asthma. Most respectful smokers would never expect to be able to just whip out a cigarrette and light up in someone else's house lol.

Maybe a shot too!

Anyone have some Vodka??? I am sorry if i came off a little harsh, but i just read something about why one earth people smoke when they know what it does the them and it was the last straw and i had to voice my opinion.

I respect those who don't smoke who respect me. If you ask me politely to put out my cigarette when i am in a public place and smoking, i might do it or move further away from people so it doesn't bother anyone. But there are those who are rude about asking me to put out my cigarette and they are lucky i am a nice person and don't blow smoke in there face.

In the USA you have to be about 30 feet from a building with a cigarette and most places are smoke free and those that aren't have to have signs posted and have to be 18 and above only. I have heard about people trying to ban smoking in cars and once or twice about banning smoking in our homes. And that suing a neighbor for smoking in the front yard and the smoking blowing over the fence, how on earth can that be proved that the smoking is traveling that far and in such abundance that its a problem??

Can't remember the particulars, pheonix but, given the prejudice aimed towards smokers, the neighbour probably only had to prove that smoke was going over the fence (video camera maybe?), rather than a quantity. There was another case where a person in a block of apartments complained about her neighbour smoking on her own balcony. The neighbour won that case because she had some sort of evidence that showed that the smoke was going inside her apartment when the wind blew a certain way. Cases like that shouldn't be allowed. Next people will be complaining about smoke from a neighbours BBQ or suing local government over smoke inhaled during bushfires. Let's face it - some people will complain about anything because they have nothing better to do.

Its sad that we live in such a sue happy world.

The thing that bothers me about banning smoking in a car only if a child is in the car, chances are that person and child is going to go home and the adult is going to lite up a cigarette in the house with there child. I need to state that i think its wrong to smoke when children are in the immediate area and i try to avoid it as much as possible.

Yeah that is true, half those parents will go home && light up infront of their child.

I think what they were trying to say is being in a car is so closed in. Studies show that smoking in the car with a child in the back seat, show that the smoke actually goes directly in the back, even with the windows open. Sometimes the windows being open make it worse for the people in the back. So I heard anyway.

In your home, you have more of an open space. I guess it's a parents judgement that needs to take place.

I think if a parent wants to smoke with her child in eyes view, thats her choice, but the child shouldn't be all up on the parent. There should be space. But once again, that has to be the parents right judgement.

It's almost like abuse.... it will happen behind closed doors...

I don't know exactly where, but i have heard it being talked about.

Well I did find the thing about banning smoking in homes && my goodness... its true..

here is the link...

http://www.usatoday.com/n...

I guess only of a child is in the home...

My parents actually banned smoking in there house(they are smokers) when my niece was born. Six years later and there is still no smoking in doors and she no longer lives with them. And people say smokers are inconsiderate to others, yeah maybe some are, but not all.

Most smokers I know are VERY considerate of others! Of course it stands to reason that they would not feel very warm and fuzzy toward someone who started attacking them for smoking or who tried to impose restrictions on their smoking. Like I've said before,*I* don't feel warm and fuzzy towards people who do that either, regardless of what the issue is.

If i am with someone that does not smoke i try not to smoke around them, if i do need a cigarette i will not smoke around them.

I never thought about these laws being based to take away our decisions as individuals, and i see your point about it. If i want to go into a place that does not allow smoking, i wont smoke will i'm there, and i will not complain about not being able to smoke because i choose to go in there. I respect the rights of non-smokers, but it tears me up that they do not respect my right to smoke. I had a job were smoking was not allowed while on duty, and for eight hours a day i did not smoke, and had no problem with it.

Taface, I think about this aspect of legislation ALL THE TIME. This is the bottom line principle I am ALWAYS worried about whenever anybody tries to restrict or impose rules or laws about anything. This is the biggest reason why I am a supporter of many things even if they aren't part of my life and I don't necessarily agree. I want free choice for everybody. I want the majority of people to have a safe place and feel like they are secure. When this happens, then there are less unhappy idiots trying to screw each other over. I don't want to lose a freedom*I* value. Therefore, I stand behind many freedoms I don't necessarily even need myself in order to keep anybody who might have a hand in things I do need happy so they don't decide to put something important to me on the chopping block.

Whether something is healthy or not doesn't mean any person or group should impose anything. Just watch someone try to take away my McDonalds or my coffee. They'd be sorry, very sorry, and in the end they might even end up apologizing because after I was done with them..... (I'm not nice when you mess with me, I'm very friendly if you leave me alone)

For you information, for the most part, i do not smoke around non-smokers and children. I am considerate of others and when asked to put out a cigarette when in a public place i do, or move further back so not to be near anyone. I think its funny that i have to considerate of your needs but you no not of mine. Of all the smokers i know, they are considerate of others. I have never been made sick because i smoke, and yeah there is a chance it could kill me. Hint the word chance. You know nothing about me, so you do not know why i smoke or why i ever started. For so people ya it does relax them and yeah your right i am weak and i will be the first to admit it. I have tried quitting but in the environment i am in its hard. I am not a proud smoker, it kills me that something has so much control over me, but i should not be punished because i smoke. Why should i be embarrassed because i have a smoking addiction?? And there is a big difference in being addicted to cigarettes and being addicted to drugs and alcohol, smoking does not impair me or keep me from doing my job. Like my comparision was asinine to you yours is to me.

Its people like you who pushed me to the point of writing this discussion and i think your have proved my point perfectly.

i totally agree with you wildcat180
i don't mind if someone wants to smoke or not but when it comes to my haelth or my family health then i do mind!!

simply if you are addicated and can't stop smoking do it but not in puplic places..me and many people have the right to smell pure air not poluted with smoke!

I'm sorry, I don't see why I'm supposed to be considerate of your smoking addiction... You're the one that chooses to smoke, therefore it's on YOU to be considerate of the people around you.

Sweety, I used to smoke. I know all the excuses and all the reasoning smokers will use as an excuse to smoke because I've used them myself in the past. "I can't quit because everyone around me smokes", "My job is too stressful", blah, blah, blah. Excuses, all of them. Fact is, you can cope with everything around just fine without smoking. Quitting is not easy, but it's a heck of an accomplishment.

I think it's great you and smoker friends are considerate of the non-smokers around you. You are the exception, not the general population. If more were like you, those laws wouldn't be needed. As it is, I don't think it's fair that I have to push my way through smokers that are gathered around an entrance to a building, smoking and end up smelling like an ashtray because of other people.

You're deluding yourself if you think you can smoke and have NO repercussions from it. (Your statements about a "chance" of getting ill" is what I'm referring to here.) It's a proven FACT that smoking, in any amount decreases lung capacity because it's killing the intricate parts of the lung. It's a proven FACT that smoking messes with your metabolism and can cause weight issues both while you're smoking and most certainly when you quit. It's a proven FACT that long term smoking causes any number of illnesses and cancers within the respiratory system, and other parts of the body. It's not a matter of whether you'll get sick, it's what you'll get sick with and when.

You are aware of what's in that cigarette you're smoking, right? How it's not just tobacco? How the cigarette manufacturers will add any number of chemicals to the tobacco? Did you know that the manufacturers are so set on using every little bit of tobacco that they'll sweep anything that falls on the floor up and add that to what goes into your cigarettes? Do you think smoking, say ammonia is good for you? Did you know that there's a list of almost 600 things that manufacturers add to their products, besides tobacco? Some are chemicals that can be found in a garage, others are household cleaning products, most are poisonous. That's what you're smoking. And you think you can do that and not walk away with some form of illness? Did you know that you're still at risk of getting sick long after you quit because the damage is already done?

But you know what? I don't care if people smoke. That's their problem. I don't tell people to quit, or that it's bad for them, or even comment on it, unless they're either inconsiderate smokers who blow their smoke towards non-smokers, or the subject comes up. Like here. You come on here and post a topic about how non smokers bother you without ever ONCE thinking about how people who are less considerate than you claim to be affect other people who choose not to smoke. It's that kind of "I'm entitled to do what I want" attitude that has lead to all these laws in the first place. You want someone to blame for not being allowed to smoke where ever you want? Blame the other smokers who feel so entitled to their habit that they think everyone who doesn't smoke should accommodate them. Blame the ones that light up where ever they are, without thinking about the people around them. Blame the smokers that hang out by the doorways to public places that make it impossible for non smokers to get in or out without breathing in their air and coming away stinking. Because I can tell you this, hon. If smokers thought more about the people around them, and acted accordingly, there would be no need for the laws. The non smokers didn't just get up and say, "we want to stop everyone from smoking" for no reason. So, before you go shooting your mouth off about things that you're having to deal with, make sure you know where the proper blame goes. I personally think the laws are stupid, but as long as there are idiots out there forcing their habits on the general public, I'll support them.

The reason i started this discussion is to point out the fact that all the non smokers complaining about smokers is just ticking smokers off and doing no good. Most smokers know whats in the cigarettes they smoke and how harmful it is, but complaining about a person smoking is not going to get them to quit. A person has to want to quit for themselves, and people forcing there views on a smokers is not helping, its just going to make them fight for the right to smoke. I support some of the laws pasted, not smoking in public buildings and having to be so far away from an entrance of a building, but when it gets to the point when laws are being considered about banning smoking in a persons car and home..thats what really bothers me. I want to quit at some point, but i want it to be my choice.

Public buildings, within reason. I personally think it's ridiculous to ban smoking in a bar, or in a restaurant that has a smoking and non smoking section. Even if they pass the law about not smoking in your car, it's not one that's easily enforced, so just be careful. Like banning talking on a cell phone while driving...that's been a real useful law...NOT!

It's sad that laws are even needed to keep doorways open, you know? If smokers would just think about other people and move away from the doors to begin with, no one would have a reason to complain. It's common courtesy and it seems too many people are lacking in that these days.

I know a lot of non smokers can be extremely rude when it comes to telling smokers to quit. It's no one's business but your own. At the same time, smoking IS a habit that affects the people around you and I believe this is why non smokers can be so bad. When you have so many smokers being rude about smoking around non smokers, what are the non smokers supposed to do? Say nothing and be exposed to second hand smoke? I don't think so. You may not be one of those smokers, but you're paying the price because of them. If more smokers were like you, considerate of other people, you wouldn't be having the trouble you see these days. Not that two wrongs make a right, mind you.

I get the point you're making about the laws not helping. I'm just trying to give you a perspective of where the laws are coming from. Seriously, if smokers were more considerate about lighting up around non smokers, there would be no need for the laws. So lay blame there, first. What the non smokers are doing is a REACTION to that.

I know you have a point Wildcat but it is frustrating ME to see yet another attack - and YOU said you used to smoke! I have never smoked yet I believe in the same rights for smokers as for non smokers. If everybody has to be so up in arms about smokers being considerate (most of the ones I know are), then non smokers need to be just as considerate. I think the laws are bordering on discriminating, I don't understand why people cannot smoke in bars - if they are purely bars. You would think this would prevent the big mob of smokers around an entrance because they wouldn't all have to keep going out the door to have a dang cig.

Like you, I didn't want anybody smoking around my infant either, and I made damn sure nobody did. The only people who ever had a problem with it were RUDE smokers, of which I knew several. The rest were DECENT smokers who never smoked near my daughter, always washed their hands, and removed clothing they had smoked in before holding her later. I don't think it's so much that smokers are proud of smoking. They are simply not going to be intimidated and SORRY that they smoke. One does not equal the other.

I have tried to quit, and i want to quit, but right now its one of my few coping mechanisms. If/when the day comes that i succeeded in quitting i want it to be my choice and not something i was forced into.

You know, I smoked one cigarette a month ago after months without smoking and after smoking it I got really sick and nauseated and I got a bad headache and since then I have not wanted/desired a cigarette at all!...lol

Your right, when your ready to quit it should be on your own accord, not the government telling you to quit.