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myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family2 months ago

My husband and I married late in life and between us have 3 married sons and 3 grandchildren. All the boys and their wives are great; and needless to say, I think I have the cutest, smartest grandkids in the country!

My problem is with my son, Jonathan. He has been married to a lovely young woman for almost 15 years, and they seem very happy. They have 2 children; an 8 year old girl and a 6 year old boy. I love Jonathan and his family more than anything else in my life.

We always get together for Christmas, but only once have we actually spent Christmas day with Jonathan and his family. They usually make arrangements to come to our house before Christmas and exchange gifts; or to come to their house for brunch..but never on Christmas. Christmas is always spent with Jonathan's in-laws.

Last year, many months before Christmas, Jonathan and I discussed this. I said while I understood his wife's desire to spend Christmas with her family, I thought it was important to give us fair time. I said I would be happy to have them for dinner, or if it was easier with the children, we could come to their house and I would happily bring half the meal.

When Christmas finally came, there were lots of excuses about how the dining room was too small for everyone (everyone had eaten there before the one time we were all there for dinner), and other petty sounding things. The end result was that I said nothing and they came a few evenings before Christmas for dinner and a gift exchange.

Maybe I am being petty about this, but Christmas is important to me, and I am frankly hurt. I feel that Jonathan is going along with what his wife wants, but of course, he never comments on that. I would like to spend Christmas with my only son this year, and his family...that doesn't seem too much to ask. One time in 15 Christmases is pretty paltry, as far as I am concerned; and I'm pretty hurt.

Are there any long suffering parents out there who can help me?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 99/100. sudalunts (2777)   ranked 18 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

Hello, I feel your pain with what goes on at Christmas with you ahd Jonathan. I personally can not relate, but I can speak for my mother.
My mother had my younger brother later in life. He was the spoiled one who got everything me and my other siblings did not. He was disciplined less etc. Him and my older brother bought a three family house, my parents had one floor and my two brother the others. My younger brother was past 30 when he got married. He vacated his apartment in the house and moved in with his new wife. They soon bought a house in another state, but my brother continued to work in the state we live in.

After they moved, that was that, we hardly see my brother anymore, he does not see my parents on holidays. They have moved his wife's mother in with them, and everything is geared towards her family. They have a little boy, he is three years old, we never get to see him.

The difference is, your son will come by if not on the holiday, but around the time. My brother does not.

My mother was so hurt when we went to my brother's wifes baby shower, and all her family was talking about what a nice house they have, and the good time they at at a bar b q, we were not invited.

So I understand what you mean, when you say that it's her family and not his, basically without any compromise/
I hope it turns out better for you this year.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Hello, and thanks for your kind response. I really feel for your mother; I know the pain she is going through. When Jonathan was first married, is behavior was just like your younger brother's. His oldest child was almost 2yrs old when I first saw her..and he only lived an hour away from me. I received an invitation to their housewarming, and had no idea they had bought a house...and the list goes on.

We cleared a few things up about five years ago, and things have been much better since. There is, however, still the problem of the preferential treatment my daughter in law's parents get. I hope they will grow up and realize that being with them is as important to us as it is to the other parents...and I hope your brother grows up and starts treating his mother the way she deserves to be treated!


myLot reputation of 99/100. sudalunts (2777)   ranked 18 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Thank you, I hope so too. My mother is really hurt by it but she puts on the I do not care attitude. My mother was in the hospital four times within a month last year, my brother's take on it was, at first he did not know she was in the hospital, and the second was he was tired. He had the nerve to tell my mother what he and his wife did for her mother on Mother's day, and did not even mail my mother a card. My mother spoke up then, and asked him what about her, and he said he had no money. thumbdown

I am the only family member that contacts him, everyone else is so fed up they do not what to even talk to him.

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2. REALPICKLES (18)   ranked 37 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

Well my daughter spends
christmas eve with her husbands family and Christmas Morning with us. And then go to his great mothers on christmas day in the afternoon. That way all is happy. Of course my daughter and son-inlaw and grand children live with us.

Now my sister-in-law spends one christmas with her side, then next year with my brothers side.

Same with easter and thankgiving. They take turns. your daughter in law has to understand your side of it and not be that way.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Thanks for the input, REALPICKLES. My son and his wife have been married almost fifteen years, and apparently when she puts her foot down, he moves. I've spoken to him about fairness and taking turns in the past, but all I get is excuses. If I try to talk to my daughter in law about this, I'm pretty sure she'll become angry, and that will affect my relationship with my son and grandchildren. I guess the only thing to do is feel grateful when I do see them..

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. catdla1 (555)   ranked 14 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

Hi Jane!
What a sad situation! There must be some sort of solution somewhere!

How well do you get along with the in-laws? Is your daughter in-law their only child? Maybe she feels obligated to go there so that her parents aren't alone for Christmas? If that's the case, have you ever invited them over to your house? We did that with my sister-in-laws mother so that she wouldn't be alone.

Jonathan and his family coming over a few days before Christmas, or after Christmas - just isn't Christmas! What about having Wigilia on Christmas Eve - with all of your sons there? That's usually a simpler meal...ham, french meat pie, galumpke, lasagna - whatever. That's both a Polish and French custom, it leads up to going to midnight services. If you still want to do Christmas Day dinner, anyone can stay (or come back) for it. Or, after celebrating Christmas eve with your kids, plan the Christmas Day with friends! Or, you and hubby go down to Mohegan Sun and have your own Christmas!

Ever think about staying in OR and flying all the kids out for Christmas? Or, take them all on the Big Red Boat...lol

Somewhere here there is a solution, we just have to figure out what it is!



myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Thanks, Deb. I am very fond of my daughter in law's father; he's a very nice man, and we seem to get along well. Her mother is another story. She's one of these people where you grit your teeth, count to ten and try not to blow up at her..totally annoying and selfish.
We invited her parents to a family Christmas party that we gave the week after Christmas last year, and they both came. They would never leave home on Christmas, because they always entertain many old friends there, as well as their youngest son.
Richard and I have lots of places to go for Christmas day, and we do. It's just that I would prefer spending the day with my son and grandchildren, every other year or so. Christmas has a special meaning for me, as it does for many of us, and I don't think it's too much to expect to share it once in awhile with Jonathan. My stepsons are nice kids, but they have other Christmas obligations, usually with their mother or grandmother, so we always get together after the holiday. They both live in NH, so a trek down to us on Christmas Eve is expecting a bit too much.
I guess I'll just have to accept the fact that I can't get what I want, and live with it...but thanks for offering such good advice.


myLot reputation of 98/100. catdla1 (555)   ranked 14 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Most of us are raised with the big celebration of Christmas exactly on Christmas Day. We plan for weeks, then it's over in a flash. I would give anything to have one more Christmas like I had growing up, with the grandparents, aunts, uncles, plus of course my parents and brother. At the time, it seemed like so much bother, being taken away from all the new toys I'd opened that morning, since the celebration was always at my grandparents house. Now, my parents, grandparents and some of the aunts and uncles are gone. My brother married some one cut from the same mold as your daughter in laws mother, so while he and I talk on the phone frequently, I haven't seen him for 4 years. Closest I came was in 2001. My dad and grandfather were gone, but the rest all came to my house...21 people from all over the country. It took 2 kitchens to cook everything (my out of town neighbor let me use hers).
Now, sadly it's just my husband and step daughter and me for Christmas Day. My son, working in MD has not been able to get time off to be here on Christmas Day for 4 years either. (Four years ago my moms funeral was on Christmas Eve). My son, was however able to get a long weekend (Fri-Mon) and fly down in the middle of Jan. We had a 2nd Christmas! No presents were bought beforehand. We drew names, used an agreed upon amount of money, and hit the mall. It's amazing what you can find when everything is on sale. That's now become a tradition. While I will always wish that he could be here on Christmas, I have come to look forward to the 2nd one almost more, because we've created out own tradition out of necessity.

Maybe with a pre-arranged day set up with Jonathan and his family, where you know the day in advance so you still anticipate and look forward to it, maybe you can start liking that new tradition too. It seems to me that part of the problem is not knowing in advance when that day would be. If you take the frustration and disappointment out of the equation, it would be more enjoyable.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Deb, I think that may be the best idea I've heard so far. If I have to accept the fact that Christmas day is out for Jonathan and family, it would take the edge off things, I think, if we arranged a specific 'other Christmas" each year. It won't be as good, but maybe it's a compromise I can live with. Thanks!


myLot reputation of 98/100. catdla1 (555)   ranked 14 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

I hope it works! Who knows, once the stress is out, maybe you'll like it better. It will make a tradition of Christmas unique to your family.

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4. myLot reputation of 96/100. rusty2rusty (3116)   ranked 34 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

I completely understand where you are coming from. But you have to look at through your son and his daughter in laws eyes. She has family to celebrate it with to. Why should it matter if it is on Christmas or a few days before?
My stepmother decided years ago to celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve. That way the whole family could come. because she knew us kids spend Christmas day at my mothers house. What a peach she was for doing that!! This way we all good visiting everyone. Heck my stepsister alwys came with her kids to my moms house as well to celebrate. I also had my husband side of the family to celebrate with. besides with only my husband and kids.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

I have tried to look at this problem from everyone's view point, rusty. I am happy to share holidays with my in-laws; but the same thing holds true for Thanksgiving and Easter. I only mentioned Christmas because it's the one holiday that's really important to me, as a parent and grandparent.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable to hope that my son and his family would want to share every other Christmas with me. I have never complained about or mentioned the other holidays.

Jonathan is my only child; my other two sons came to me as married adults. I love them dearly, but I'm sure you understand when I say that Jonathan holds a special place in my life. I have done everything I can do to let my feelings be known to him, and he's an adult. I guess I just have to accept the situation for what it is.

Thanks for your input!

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. carlaabt (3169)   ranked 35 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

I think my in-laws might kind of feel that way, too. Actually since I got married, we've never spent Christmas with either family, because we have never been able to go home. But we've been home for Mother's Day, and we spent more time with my family then his, and I think it upset his mom. The way my husband and I both look at is this, though: I have 5 siblings, who all live in the area we grew up in. They all get together at my parents' house on holidays. My husband has one sister, who is never there at the same time we are. It seems a lot easier to get together with my family, and see everyone at once, on the holiday, and then get together with his parents at another time. We're only there for a short amount of time, and not very often, so we want to make sure we see everyone. We spend more time with my family, because my family is bigger as well. It makes my in-laws mad, and they think we should spend just as much time with them as we do with my family, but that doesn't seem fair, since my family is so much larger. In addition to my siblings and their spouses and children, I'm also pretty close to my mom's side of the family, and we always try to have a get together with them anytime I'm home. I think (and my husband really does agree with me) that we need to spend more time with my family, so that we can get some real quality time with each member. My husband only has his mom and dad at home. He's not close to any aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Thanks for your comment, Carla. I'm not sure the size of your family is important; I think both families should have their share of the time with you. I know each set of parents want an equal turn to visit, especially when they don't see you often. I don't think I'm angry at my daughter in law, but I know I'm hurt that after 15 years she still doesn't think I deserve an equal amount of holiday time as her parents do. Call that petty if you want, but that's the way I feel.


myLot reputation of 98/100. carlaabt (3169)   ranked 35 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

I think the size of the family IS important, because if I'm expected to get to actually talk to each member of my family, I need more time to do so, than we need to talk to my husband's parents. In three hours time, we can have a nice long conversation with my in-laws that leaves everyone happy. Three hours with my family, and we don't even get to spend fifteen minutes talking to each person. I think that has to be considered. I'm not just saying that because it's my family. When my husband's grandma was alive, we drove over 3 hours one way to go see her (this is, of course, in addition to the 18 hours we spend driving one way just to get to where we are from), and I had NO problem doing so. I believe she deserved her fair time to see her grandson and great grandson.

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6. myLot reputation of 92/100. sharra1 (1642)   ranked 57 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

Have you asked him why his in laws do not want to have dinner with his family as that seems to be the problem. Maybe he is just not facing it.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Thanks for commenting, Sharra. I don't have to ask the question. My daughter in law's mother is a very selfish person who doesn't want to share holidays or anything else in life. He's going to the in-laws every Christmas to avoid problems at home, and I understand that..I just don't agree.


myLot reputation of 92/100. sharra1 (1642)   ranked 57 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

I understand that problem. My brother used to manage that sometimes by having lunch with one family and dinner with the other and he would alternate who got him for which meal. Even though our two families did not mix he made sure that he had Christmas with each one.

He has been divorced for years now and for while we had all our Christmas together but now the family is split. I live hundreds of miles away up north and cannot afford to travel back to see my brothers and one of his sons is currently working overseas.

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7. myLot reputation of 88/100. TessWhite (1490)   ranked 56 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

I haven't had my son around for the last three Christmases. But, it was understandable circumstances that caused it. But, I think its important that they alternate years. One year with you, next with the inlaws. And I think its time to talk to your daughter in law, rather than your son about this. I hope something can be worked out that makes you all happy.

Christmas this year, just like last one will be a sad affair here. Mom died last summer so we didn't want to celebrate last year. And this year we are packing to move, so we probably will just skip the whole celebration. Now next year should be fun. I'll be moved back "home" and near family so they can celebrate with me.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Another good comment; thanks Tess! I have thought of talking to my daughter in law in the past, but we're not really close, and I'm not sure she will hear it as a positive conversation. The situation has gotten to the point, though, where I may throw caution to the wind and try anyway!

I'm sorry about your loss. It's especially hard to lose a mother. My own mother died in late October, and I remember Christmas that year was just getting thru the day. I wish you a joyful Christmas this year, and next..when you're finally back "home".

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8. babygurl091782 (10)   ranked 58 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

I am not a parent but I can see where you are coming from. You are his mother, you have every right to spend Christmas with the WHOLE family. From what you said, it sounds like she is the one making the decision in this. Maybe this Christmas she can go to her parents and he can come to your house for Christmas. Alot of couples do that these days. Either way you deserve to have the son that you gave birth to at your home on Christmas day and not jsut for some gift exchange.


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

Thanks, babygurl..that's quite a suggestion! I wonder if my son would be allowed to bring my grandchildren with him when he comes to visit on Christmas? How does that arrangement work for people with children? Sadly, what we deserve and what we get are often not the same thing.

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9. myLot reputation of 94/100. austere (1576)   ranked 55 out of 178 in spending time with family   2 months ago

well, i am sorry to have learned you're story.. sad guess you have to talk to your son about it.. one christmas in 15 years should not be too much.. he has been spending the last 15 christmases in his wife's family, he should be fair enough to spend this christmas with you. thumbup his wife should understand too.. i just dont know how you should say it, but you have to let him know how much you wanted him over to your house this christmas..guess he'll never know and he'll think it's okay if you wont tell him about how you truly feel about it.. happy


myLot reputation of 88/100. janeives43 (986)   ranked 9 out of 178 in spending time with family  2 months ago

I guess I could try again, austere. I talked to him about it at length last year, and made no secret of how I felt..and he still ended up at his mother in law's house. I honestly don't think he's strong enough to stick up for what's right..or maybe he actually prefers being over there for Christmas. I don't know anymore. Thanks for writing.

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